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| badactionpool |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 12:54:45 AM
who else thinks that it is wrong that a team can be established for 4 years and never get picked for a wildcard when another team has been picked 7 times. just wondering if any other teams feel the same way. no disrespect at all meant towards phil and taz seeing how i like both of them, i consider them friends and great people for doing all they do and making this the best league. just dont understand with the whole wild card setup
Matt Munowitch AKA. Mr. Bad Action AKA Capt. Lush |
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| Torsten |
Posted - 04/27/2011 : 7:21:27 PM
To the point at the beginning of this thread, there is one other thing that comes into play. Some teams just make playoffs more frequently than others.
Some teams are truly in it for just the fun, letting anyone play against anyone whom they want to beat, 3s vs. 7s, etc. Other teams, like the ones I play on I would like to think, try to balance having maximum fun and also giving all players on the team the best chance to be successful by matching them up against what we perceive to be the ideal opponent for them, based on that player's stats and personal knowledge of the opposition. This may only cause a difference of one to three points earned over the course of a season but playoffs are often decided by those small margins.
If a team, just to use an easy number, makes playoffs by virtue of their finishing high enough in the standings 5 out every 10 seasons, they are then only considered eligible for the wild card 5 out of 10 seasons, provided dues and all that are in order. Conversely, teams that finish high enough to be in playoffs only 2 out of 10 would be considered wild card eligible in 8 out of 10 seasons.
Simple math would dictate that the second team would get more wild card berths than the first.
Of course, it can be frustrating when you're hoping to get the wild card and it goes to someone else. But it's the same frustration that happens when you run into a player you perceive to underrated though. For example, a player on one of my teams ran into a SL4 this season who proceeded to mutilate him 19-1 in nine ball. The question, how is that guy a 4, was posed. Well, according to the season stats he had lost his first 7 matches, and had few enough matches over the course of his career where a negative stretch of results like that can result in a drop in SL. Just part of the game that didn't work out in one person/team's favor.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
| Taz |
Posted - 04/25/2011 : 5:16:57 PM
Okay, I see where your thought process was.
To be eliminated from the wildcard draw a team must have foreited more than five matches.
Receiving a forfeit does not disqualify you from wildcard contention. After all, the team receiving the forfeit has no control over that. |
| D-RACK |
Posted - 04/25/2011 : 2:39:41 PM
Taz -
I counted the total matches played for each player then counted the total matches played for a another team... Unless one team receives the bye more then the other shouldn't all numbers add up to the same?
most teams have 70 matches played they have 65? |
| Taz |
Posted - 04/25/2011 : 2:37:47 PM
I have no idea where you get your information. The wildcard team for Camarillo Wednesday is The Outlaw 23 and that team did not forfeit a single match this session. |
| D-RACK |
Posted - 04/25/2011 : 10:54:29 AM
So how is it on Camarillo Wednesday the wild card team has less matches played for there players meaning they FF more then 5 matches this season still won the WC? |
| Showtime |
Posted - 04/24/2011 : 11:18:16 AM
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[i]Originally posted by Phil[/i]
[br]Having a wildcard gives every team something to play for. If there were no wild card, teams out of contention would just stop showing up.
Phil
I was a little curious of the thought behind the wildcard. To me, I always thought it gave teams reasons to stop shooting as seriously as if they were in the running. However, what Phil explains makes plenty of sense to me too. If we didn't have a wild card, teams that were out of the running for the top 4 spots may not even show-up for league night. The wildcard possibility keeps all teams involved in the season all season long.
Thank you for the info Phil!
If I disagree with you, it is because I am right. |
| The Hunter |
Posted - 04/24/2011 : 12:48:35 AM
Thank you Phil. Makes sence to me. Never said I dis-agreed with how it's done. Just asked a simple question.
Mark - Congradulations to you and your team and to all those that made the wild card. Good luck - shoot straight.
Greg |
| fairfax |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 4:29:34 PM
I normally try and stay out of the drama that is posted on these things. But I going to say something. It looks to me that some people have forgotten what this league is about. Fun Friendship and the one thing that Phil and Taz always talks about which is SPORTMANSHIP. the complaining needs to stop and sportmanship needs to improve. Yes my tuesdays night team recieved a wildcard spot and congrats to whole team I am proud of each and everyone them because, they played hard and had FUN all season long reguardless of the out come. I would just like to congradulate all the other teams that made wildcard and all the other teams that made playoffs. Good Luck to you all and have Fun. And to those of us that didnt make it we've got Next season i wish you all good luck and to shoot well and have FUN. SO all I am tryin to say is wish your fellow competitor's, teammates and your friends good luck and shoot well and stop complaining about the little things. who knows if you might get to shoot against them again, life is short so have fun.
Mark Jones
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| Taz |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 2:24:59 PM
Mr. Hunter, if your team is frustrated by this, perhaps you should have educated them at the beginning of the session.
Not only is all this information contained in the Official APA Team Manual, we have always followed the guidelines for playoffs and included the top 3 (or 2nd, 3rd & 4th if in a division of 12 or more teams) and a wildcard. It has been that way for the past 15 years and will continue to be done in the same manner. You have been in this league for 10+ years, so this should be no surprise to you at all.
I don't get why any player would get frustrated if they knew from day one how things are done, unless they were under the impression that it was done some other way or they were simply never informed. |
| Phil |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 1:05:33 PM
Having a wildcard gives every team something to play for. If there were no wild card, teams out of contention would just stop showing up.
Phil
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| The Hunter |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 11:03:36 AM
Just wondering, Why is a wild card draw used for the final position vs. taking all the teams as they end up in the standings at the end of the session?
Ending up in 4th spot and having another team picked that ended the session lower than your's can be equally frustrating. This has been difficult to explain for some on my team. |
| Taz |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 09:50:39 AM
This information has been posted before. I will post it again for the benefit of those who have forgotten, or never noticed before.
WILDCARD DRAW
The Wildcard Draw can be conducted anytime after the 4th week of play (that's when the size of the division is set).
We place the same number of "peas" as there are teams in the division in a pod, and draw them out one at a time. The team numbers are written in a column in the order drawn. This is usually done at the office with at least one league member present who witnesses and signs off on the draw.
Once the last week of play is processed, we cross out the numbers that correspond to the teams that earned their way into the playoffs (usually 1st, 2nd & 3rd, also 4th in division with 12 or more teams).
We cross out the numbers corresponding to teams who are past due and teams who forfeited more than 5 matches during the regular season, and any other team(s) who are judged ineligible for some other reason. The first number in the column that was not crossed off is the Wild Card Team.
Teams get assigned different numbers every session, in order to change the order of team match ups during the regular season. A team who gets the wildcard more often than another is just plain lucky.....and NO, it would not be right to eliminate a team from being part of a random draw simply because they got the wildcard the prior session. If we did that, it would no longer be a random draw.
For the doubters out there, I would be more than willing to hold next session's wildcard draw at one of the host locations and those who wish to observe the draw are welcome to do so. |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 08:47:41 AM
Hey Matt,
I feel your pain. My team went years without getting the wildcard, and then all of a sudden we got it several times. I actually watched Taz do the drawing for the wild card one season. If I remember correctly it is done at the begining of the season and is a true double blind, where the drawer doesn't know what division they are drawing for. I know a lot of people think it is a set up to get the teams the LO wants into the playoff, but it is not. I went to watch the draw so as division rep. I could explain it to the teams I played with or against. Once I told them how it was done they seemed to relax a little about it. Best way to avoid the randomness of it is to make the playoffs on your own.
These are the opinons of this poster and are not necessarily shared by me or anyone else. |
| Taz |
Posted - 04/23/2011 : 03:58:33 AM
I'm sorry you don't understand what a random draw is. Please feel free to set up a time when you can come by the office and we will gladly show you exactly how that is done. Better yet, perhaps you would volunteer to conduct the actual "draw" next session? |
