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| ValleyMast |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 7:00:49 PM
What prevents your name from being erased as captain of a team when you are not there one week? Let's say you have a player who decides that they hate you and want you off and scratches out your name and writes in someone else as captain. In BCA, the league operator must contact the captain and the person who filled out the paperwork. Is there something similar in APA? |
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| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:31:12 AM
Being captain is definitely a rollercoaster ride. You have our ups when you take 4 matches and feel like you matched up the right players, and you have your downs when you lose 4 and feel like you did not give your players the best chance to win. It is a rewarding position that requires dedication, patience and good friends as teammates.
When I tell people that I have to kick back at home for about an hour after pool and before going to bed to unwind they really don't understand why. As captain your mind is alway going, and for me it takes a while to shut down. It is definitely a labor of love. |
| BigRigTom |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 3:12:04 PM
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[i]Originally posted by Torsten[/i]
[br]Sheesh. I'd be doing sommersaults of joy if one of my team members told me, "You know, T. Thanks for the last five years of being there beginning to end, doing the lion's share of the score keeping, buying massive amounts of beer, and making a gagillion phone calls to teammates who don't feel like going online to find out where we're playing. But this is a mutiny. I'm assuming control of this ship."
I think I might very well sever a pinky in exchange for just one season of not having to be there very beginning to very end, make every important decision, keep score for 4.87 out of 5 matches, and hemorrhage cash for those who "forgot" their seven bucks.
Don't get me wrong, I love being captain, but I certainly appreciate the nights where I'm just a player, and my only other requirements are to give (usually terrible) coaching to a lower player who needs it.
Let's not forget we're in this for fun, folks. It's much cheaper than therapy. And I challenge anyone who has been doing this as long as I have to name one other league/group/book club/whatever where you've met as many great people.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack.
Well said Torsten!
If anyone on my team wants the job I will gladly step aside too.
O! Wait! I am not even the Captain, only the lowly co-captain...but I will STILL step aside for anyone who wants MY job. I love to play the game and the APA is great but I can do with out all the head aches that go with trying to keep a team afloat. You truly expressed my feelings above and probably most of the Captains and Co-Captains will agree with you.
BigRigTom
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| Torsten |
Posted - 02/03/2009 : 3:04:33 PM
Sheesh. I'd be doing sommersaults of joy if one of my team members told me, "You know, T. Thanks for the last five years of being there beginning to end, doing the lion's share of the score keeping, buying massive amounts of beer, and making a gagillion phone calls to teammates who don't feel like going online to find out where we're playing. But this is a mutiny. I'm assuming control of this ship."
I think I might very well sever a pinky in exchange for just one season of not having to be there very beginning to very end, make every important decision, keep score for 4.87 out of 5 matches, and hemorrhage cash for those who "forgot" their seven bucks.
Don't get me wrong, I love being captain, but I certainly appreciate the nights where I'm just a player, and my only other requirements are to give (usually terrible) coaching to a lower player who needs it.
Let's not forget we're in this for fun, folks. It's much cheaper than therapy. And I challenge anyone who has been doing this as long as I have to name one other league/group/book club/whatever where you've met as many great people.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
| Phil |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 2:35:51 PM
Actually, when that change came in it seemed like a very natural instance of a captain "giving up the reins" because he is on two other teams on the same night. It wasn't a surprise to see him at the captains' meeting, since he also captains a DJ team on Sunday and the prize check for the Wednesday team was made out to him. Put all of that together and no, it didn't seem like a big deal when we got the paperwork.
As I mentioned on the phone, he needs to get together with that team and figure out if he is going to remain with them, and if so, in what capacity. That's something that only he and his teammates can decide, and it's something they need to address regardless of whether we made the change or not.
This isn't the first case of a team committing a mutiny against their captain, but it has only happened a few times since we've been in business. In the vast majority of cases the prior captain is in agreement, so we assume that to be the case when the change comes in, especially when it comes in week one of Spring Session when we're making a gazillion other changes. In the cases where it actually is a mutiny, we later hear from the original captain (still waiting for that call). In all of those cases we have restored the original captain and informed the rest of the team that they need a majority vote to remove the captain against his/her wishes. I expect that's what we'll do here, when we hear from the original captain.
Phil
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| ValleyMast |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 12:00:05 PM
I merely mentioned BCA because they have a safety measure. I understand the amount of work which you and Phil do for the league. I also agree about the babysitting part since I have those problems in other two leagues.
However, what are the recourses when the integrity of a player is in question? I know that you value the paperwork and trust that it is done properly. In the past people have had to go before the BOG concering improper paperwork.
2. Where in the rules does it say that the captain must be present the first night? If I am sick or have some other reason for not being there...
3. My understanding in APA rules that it states that the team can challange a captain and MUST call the league office to notify of a change. A simple scratch off and rewritten doesn't sound fair. No matter how many teams there are.
4. I understand the personal issue part... what is more important however is how the integrity of the league is challenged. Recently in another league a similar if not exact problem occurred and went to the national office. The point is as you always say paperwork matters and is LAW. What's written determines skills levels and national qualifications. If it can't be trusted than what good is it. I know you hear EVERY WEEK about how someone's skill level is wrong.
The problem is that if you put some much faith in a capain to run a team and make sure things are going well. They show up to your start of seaon meeting and then the first night happens.. wouldn't a bell go off to at least call? No matter who filled out the new paperwork. I know I would just double check. Granted your workload might be a few minutes more, but then you don't have grudges and other issues come out of it.
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| Taz |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 12:11:31 AM
First, what BCA does or does not do has absolutely nothing to do with APA. We rely on our paperwork and the integrity of our players. If a team captain chooses not to be present on the first night of league and the members of the team change the captain, then so be it.
Second, we process all changes noted on the scoresheet and renewal sheets on week one. The scoresheet and renewal sheet both indicated to drop the captain and named the new captain and co-captain of the team.
Third, APA league management does not and will not get involved in personal matters between players. We do not run an adult babysitting service.
Fourth, we manage 253 teams on a weekly basis (not 15) and it is nearly impossible to remember everything. This particular team captain asked LAST SESSION to be notified if someone tried to drop him from the team. He was told we would do so and it did not happen. The NEW session started and we processed all changes. We had over 30 teams change their captains this session. |
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