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| grapevine |
Posted - 07/29/2009 : 09:25:52 AM
Last night team "A" and team "B" were to play each other....so far so good start time 7:oo...team "B" shows up a little late...team "A" goes along and waits for "B". They ( team "B" ) show up and match begins....great....Team "A" has at least 5 players in house and team "B" has four. With four players you would think there would be enough time to get a last player to the house to complete their roster...First match-up went well now on to the second...it was a four four race and team "B" was up 3 to 1 and about to break for rack 5....the balls are racked but team "B" breaker is nowhere in sight....seems he is outside having a smoke.....team "A" found team "B"s player and asked hin to start his match. He then informed team "B"s captain that his two other players,(remember team "B" started with four players){that had not played yet} had decieded to leave the house to move a piece of furniture for one of the players girlfriends and they were running a little late getting back to the house, so he decieded to smoke to buy some time as the two players that were gone were only ten minutes away. after smoking, team "B" broke and the match continued team "B"s player was down to his last ball befor the eight and intentionally started missing his last ball to buy some more time (team "B"s player admitted this fact) after missing twice the arraingement of the ball position left by team "A"s players miss forced team "B"s player to finish the game and thus winning the match. This last game took about 15 minutes not including the smoke break however long that took !!!
Team "A" puts up their player for the next match and guess what? [ no player for team "B"? ] you guessed it.. team "B"s players who decieded to go move furniture have not yet arrived to play their match.... they told their own player that they were only ten minutes away it has now been over twenty minutes since then,,,,Team "A" calls for a forfeit and team "B" has no choise but to forfeit its matches. After another ten minutes have gone by, team "B"s players (the two who left) show up and of course are not happy about the forfeits and raise a stink now I ask you all out there "when is when enough?" sure team "A" could have waited,they waited at the start of the match,( remember team "B" was late getting started also), but for how long..theres only so many smokes in a pack. Should team "B" put up with this? I would not!! would you?
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| iampato |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 07:11:36 AM
Well said.
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[i]Originally posted by badactionpool[/i]
[br]this topic is going nowhere we get the point its a fun league no need to get so riled up about it. lets move forward and continue to have fun and play pool.
Matt Munowitch AKA. Mr. Bad Action AKA Capt. Lush
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
| RAAAWWWR |
Posted - 07/17/2010 : 2:58:29 PM
i cant believe this is still going on after a year. maybe a 2 needs more time during time outs and shots. also, if higher ranked players play each other, they need to win more games. and a lot of higher ranked players, 6 & 7, they rarely use their time outs anyways, so that would make up time for the lower players.
drop the "case study" and just play pool!!!!!! its just a game, right? |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 07/14/2010 : 6:06:03 PM
Tracy,
When my 9-ball team qualified for nationals a few years ago, I spoke with my team mates about not taking too much time between shots, games, matches, timeouts. I didn't want to get to nationals and it be a problem. So, for an entire season I took a digital stop watch with me to each match and timed each shot, time out, and when it was our turn to put up. I kept a chart for each night. If one player was taking too long I just showed them the chart for their match. One player that took long on every shot had a hard time speeding up. I would tell him if he hadn't shot by 30 seconds. It didn't take long and his timing was better. By nationals the whole team was comfortable with keeping a better pace. I realize this is a little extreme but it worked. |
| grapevine |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 5:20:52 PM
wow this topic really went off....but the reality of it all is "plan ahead" you all know when it is your turn to put up and when the match being played is nearly over ("hill/hill,we hope) so set an example for others to follow......this post was originall posted a year ago......lets learn from the feed.....game on!!! |
| TracyW3 |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 4:58:16 PM
Thank you.
I think I need to expand the study, Last week's results showed that both teams averaged the same amount of time when putting up or countering with players (no one on the other team smoked). The match was still one of the longest I have ever been a part of. It's hard to say if it was because all of the matches were really close or if the timeouts were long because the matches were so close. I think I have to start timing other factors. I am open to suggestions.
-Tracy- |
| movistar |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 4:56:46 PM
I applaude the health issues that this post manifested...but the real point was the time that teams take between matches to put up their NEXT player... usually the time was maximized because of their NEED to go smoke between matches... when the first match starts, the second team KNOWS that it is their put up next and they should already know who is playing second.... and so on...lets make the evening fun and try to make it go quickly.
In my post I was NOT trying to be SELF rightous.. just wanted the smokers to know that their habit puts a strain on the evening. they can smoke ALL they want... just don't do it on my time! |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 11:28:59 AM
Tracy,
I accept your apology, and offer you one of my own. I have never smoked in my life, and it is still something I am passionate about(obviously).
The only way I would feel better by you getting hit with a golf ball is if It was mine. No, I am kidding. I actually hit a guy once on the course and felt terrible about it. Thankfully it hit him in his ample belly and he just shrugged it off.
I really would be interested in the results of your case study.
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| TracyW3 |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:41:06 AM
Thank you Torsten.
Moose Dragon this got way too personal and that was partially my fault, for that I apologize… Really. This is obviously a sensitive matter for both of us. I was definitely not trying to talk you into being a smoker, I realize it’s not good for my health. But I do know that someone is more likely to die from eating too many chocolates than from second hand smoke.
If it makes you feel any better, I got pegged in the arm by a range ball while golfing on Saturday, the bruise is about 4inches in diameter. LOL
Take Care
-Tracy-
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| Torsten |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 8:44:14 PM
I don't know when this became a debate about the health hazards of smoking. yes it's bad. yes it increases the risk of the smoker to get lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease, etc. As a smoker, I am taking those risks.
Truthfully, Moose (yeah I know your name, old friend) you're in no danger from second hand smoke if you're not in an enclosed space like a car, house, or bar that permits smoking. The statistics given by the Cancer Society and other related organizations with an agenda are skewed with no medical support for their claims are merely propaganda. The only ones in danger from second hand smoke are children and those with underdeveloped lungs who are frequently in contact with second hand smoke in an enclosed environment. The worst you are at risk of is the annoying smell on your clothes.
I know smoking is a bad habit and not good for my long term health prospects. I respect those that don't like it by doing it outside and away from non-smokers. I also try to not let my smoking slow matches down (the real point here unless I'm mistaken) by waiting until after my match, or indulging during an opponent's time out if the smoking area is close and within view of my game table. To my knowledge, after over 600 matches in APA, I have never been accused of slow play, due to smoking or otherwise.
Anyhoo, if we could just nip this in the bud, that would be great. If you are playing against a team who is not abiding by the continuous play rule, politely bring it to the attention of the captain. If the captain refuses to comply or gives you attitude because of it, bring it to the attention of the league office. This should never have gotten to a point where people are taking thinly veiled barbs at one another.
Phil, love the golf story. I had a guy tell me recently, from the drivers seat of the corvette that no doubt mommy and daddy bought his 19 year old punk @$$, that he hoped the cigarette i was smoking would give me cancer and I would die. I politely responded that i would hope that he would get in a fatal accident in mommy and daddy's present, but that my hope would be wasted and that Darwin would likely take care of the dirty work for me.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
| Jeff Burkhammer |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 8:18:34 PM
I once knew a guy who died in a car accident, while smoking. The cherry went in his eye, and he went over a cliff. Smoking Kills..lol.
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot. |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 5:21:52 PM
I never attacked you, and I never mentioned you by name until you went after me. I was responding with my opinion to your post.
There you go again antaganizing by saying I am searching for a reason to be offended.
I will trust the American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, and the California EPA. All of which is available to the public. I do not trust someone defending smoking to me. You do not have the ability to change my opinion on this matter.
So You say eating enough chocolate to kill you is the same as dying from smoking related diseases. I don't think there is a comparison at all.
I did not get into this to argue with you, so I will no longer respond to your posts. Say what you want, I could care less. |
| TracyW3 |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 5:03:11 PM
Moose Dragon,
I think you need to go back and look at the order of the posts, nothing in my original post mentioned you nor was it in direct response to anything you said. However, YOU specifically attacked ME, my post, and my position on the subject. Maybe I was too harsh in my final comment, but I do think it's a valid comparison and in the same spirit as Phil's quote. Pretty much anything can kill you, (Did you know the vaporized butter on microwavable popcorn can kill you).
If you know anything about Epidemiology, Statistics, Relative Risk (RR), and Confidence intervals (CI), you would understand that there has NEVER been any study that can validate the claim that SHS kills. IF you found any RESEARCH that says SHS kills I would love to see the RR and CI related to their conclusions. People might say SHS kills for many unverified reasons, my concern is that it's because they feel it validates their need to control other people, even if it's not true. Would you not speak out against something if you felt their agenda was to control you?
I have not been antagonistic in any of my past responses. I wish you could get past the defense of your cause to see that you are searching for reasons to be offended rather than listening to a valid argument.
Once again… Live and let live.
-Tracy- |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 1:21:24 PM
Tracy,
Your comment about me eating enough chocolate to kill myself was uncalled for. Besides the Chocolate was a metaphor. If that is not antagonizing I don't know what is?
I believe smoking MAY not kill you and second hand smoke MAY not kill me, but there is a chance it could, no matter how small. I to have looked at the research, and it all says SHS kills, along with many other inflictions.
If your not one to antagonize anyone, than don't do it. In both of your posts you have comments that are antagonistic. I guess nonsmokers are not the only ones on a high horse. Remember I did not single you out, but you did me.
I to have said my peace, I am done. |
| TracyW3 |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 09:53:56 AM
Phil,
I’m sorry if my responses seemed like banter, it was not intended that way at all, just saying my peace. I’m not one to antagonize anyone and if someone chooses to do so to me, I try to clearly understand how justified or unjustified their argument really is. I would expect the same of them.
Mr. Dragon,
Channeling Phil’s quote, I know my smoking MAY kill me, but it’s NOT going to kill you, so eat as many of those chocolates as you’d like, that just might do it.
Live and let live.
-Tracy- |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 07:36:38 AM
Ooh ooh let me, I haven't gotten to be the bigger person before!!!! I started to do research to respond, and after looking at what the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association said about it, and checking out some of the report by the California EPA I was blown away. I don't know how anyone can justify to themselves to smoke. So I will end it with another quote "life is like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get". So I am gonna eat those chocolates and see what happens. |
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