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| MNGopher |
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 5:22:46 PM
This situation came up in week #1 of the Spring Session. I am an SL 4 playing an SL 6. I have 3 balls left - he has the 8 ball; my shot.
Without too much detail...I snookered my opponent in the corner with a declared safety, he lines up a masse shot to get out (cue stick nearly perpendicular to the table) & my capt calls it before he attempts the shot. An ugly argument follows, my opponent scratches, I go on to win the match a few games later & a nice night of pool disintegrates into a grduge match over the last match & a half.
Is there a gentlemen's rule (or woman) regarding the rules? The opposing capt considered it "chicken-$@#t" to enforce the rule. He basically took us to task for calling the rule & made the night extremely uncomfortable.
What is the deal? My opinion is that the rules are there for a reason
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| pfan |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 10:55:42 PM
"...you must put the cue through the center point of the cue ball when attempting a shot." I must not be reading this correctly. If this is true, then any left/right english on a cue ball is a foul. |
| lyrad |
Posted - 05/23/2007 : 02:06:05 AM
I believe the 45 degree rule is form the LAPool league or some other local league. They strictly prohibit Masse and jump shots. The point at which a shot turns into a masse or jump is when the cues goes to 45 degree or more with respect to the table. |
| MNGopher |
Posted - 01/23/2007 : 6:41:46 PM
What 45 degree rule is a good question.
I've just been at the APA website & can't find anything regarding the position of a cue stick prior to shot attempt. So this rules call appears to have been a mistake. One of those urban myths...
I swear I've heard that 45% degree thing several times while playing...I'm a newbie (12 matches) & learning more every week. I've heard it from one SL7 & a couple of 5'ers that you must put the cue through the center point of the cue ball when attempting a shot
What my captain called was prior to a shot attempt, so the player altered his approach which may have caused my opponent to scratch. He was stuck in the corner 8 ball against cue ball. They were very close to touching, he attempted to shoot down on the "back top side" cue ball (nearly perpendicular) causing the ball to jump up & forward into the eight & creating tremendous backspin on the cue ball. This was not an attempted jump shot, it's just the best explanation I can muster.
At least I bought my competitor a beer after our match. What I didn't like is that one call seemed to take him off his game & I don't think victory over a 6 was anywhere as sweet as it should have been. I learned one important lesson - we have the rule book with us, so use it. And the ultimate decision is only a phone call away! Thank you & I'm forwarding your responses on to my teammates & manager.
The msg board has helped me a bunch over the last 4 months of playing. Thanks to all - I'm off to watch some Tuesday night APA.
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| Taz |
Posted - 01/23/2007 : 06:35:37 AM
What 45 degree rule?
And your captain "calls it before he attempts the shot"?
What did he call? Foul - you were thinking about doing something?
It's too bad the opposing team didn't simmply stop play and called the office, which by the way would have been the correct way to handle this.
Now folks, instead of getting into ridiculous arguments and allowing a night out with your friends to disintegrate into grudge matches and become uncomfortable, "common sense" should be used.
There is a reason why we answer the phone until Midnight on league nights. No Mike, it is not for you to call and ask for someone's phone number at 11:55pm. If your team captain does not carry their Team Manual and Team Packet (contains the Local Bylaws) with him/her to every match...shame on him/her. Having said that, whenever a dispute arises during a match, play should be stopped and either 1) division rep should be contacted and consulted or 2) call the league office for a ruling. |
| trhxke |
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 6:10:45 PM
MNGopher,
I don't see where you have described anything that would be a foul.
If you are referreding to the "masse" then here is a short excerpt from the Team Manual that addresses that point.
The more the cue is raised, the more the cue ball will curve. Extreme masse’ shots, improperly executed, can cause damage to pocket billiard equipment. Although League rules do allow masse’ shots, there may be Local Bylaws or individual “House Rules” in many locations limiting or prohibiting masse’ shots.
If that does not clarify it for you, then you will need to describe the situation and the actual shot in more detail to get an intelligent response.
There is a lot of people who will gladly jump in on this subject....I'm sure.
PS: It's not a democracy so........so what the majority thinks is a waste of time.......it is what is covered by the rules that will prevail.
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
Your Internet Source for pool cues, darts and various colletibles. |
| MNGopher |
Posted - 01/22/2007 : 5:54:10 PM
Oh ya, and would the majority of players call this foul?....what is the feeling on that. |
