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| trhxke |
Posted - 03/30/2007 : 4:05:14 PM
Twice in the same 9 ball match last night a couple of balls were accidently moved by one of our players.
When I requested that the other player replace the balls to their original position the other team captain told me that he did not have to put them back.....he mearly had to touch the balls and say OK and that it was his option to put them back or leave them where they are now.
The rule book specifically state that the opponent must replace the balls to their original position....of course the opponent almost NEVER sees the balls get moved so he almost never knows where to put them back too....and this was the case in both incidents last night.
I understand this issue has come up before so maybe someone can comment on the proper way to handle the situation.
Tom Hardinger
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| trhxke |
Posted - 04/10/2007 : 1:46:58 PM
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Originally posted by sharpshooter
Well heres a good one for ya.It was several years ago when the foothill div used to be a travel league.I was shooting a much better player than I was at the time and wasn't very informed as far as the rules were concerned.I had pocketed my 1-ball and accidentally hit another ball w/my cue.After I told my opponent,who WAS NOT watching,he came to the table and replaced the moved ball directly between the cue ball and the two ball,which I had shape on.So be careful with that rule cause some poor sports out there will use it to get an advantage.
Also if the player who accidentally moved the balls has now missed the shot he was attempting, the opponent who is the incoming player will sometimes be able to improve his position by moving those balls to a place that is to his advantage. Especially if that ball happens to be the 8 in 8 ball.
Bottom line the sitting player, his coach and the score keepers should all be watching the game and if they are not....well good luck.
Tom Hardinger
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| sharpshooter |
Posted - 04/10/2007 : 1:29:53 PM
Well heres a good one for ya.It was several years ago when the foothill div used to be a travel league.I was shooting a much better player than I was at the time and wasn't very informed as far as the rules were concerned.I had pocketed my 1-ball and accidentally hit another ball w/my cue.After I told my opponent,who WAS NOT watching,he came to the table and replaced the moved ball directly between the cue ball and the two ball,which I had shape on.So be careful with that rule cause some poor sports out there will use it to get an advantage. |
| trhxke |
Posted - 03/31/2007 : 10:53:53 AM
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Originally posted by Phil
The team manual says the opponent must replace accidentally moved balls, unless an accidentally moved ball comes in contact with the cue ball, in which case nothing is replaced. It does not say how the opponent is to determine where the accidentally moved ball was prior to the shot. Usually, someone in the room has a fairly good idea where the ball was, and there's nothing wrong with consulting with others to make an honest effort at determining the original position.
When nobody knows for sure where the ball was, the opponent must still replace the ball, using their best guess as to the original position. In this case, logic dictates that the resulting position cannot possibly be the best guess. The only thing you know for sure is that the ball was NOT in that spot originally, so by placing it in ANY "uncertain" position you have a better chance of being correct. The only reason to consider leaving it where it ends up would be if moving it anywhere gives one side or the other an advantage they did not have before.
As is the case with any situation that doesn't fit exactly within the black and white of the rules, honesty and common sense should prevail.
Phil
Thank you Phil,
This is EXACTLY the way I understand it, and it makes sense too.
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
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| Phil |
Posted - 03/31/2007 : 09:33:33 AM
The team manual says the opponent must replace accidentally moved balls, unless an accidentally moved ball comes in contact with the cue ball, in which case nothing is replaced. It does not say how the opponent is to determine where the accidentally moved ball was prior to the shot. Usually, someone in the room has a fairly good idea where the ball was, and there's nothing wrong with consulting with others to make an honest effort at determining the original position.
When nobody knows for sure where the ball was, the opponent must still replace the ball, using their best guess as to the original position. In this case, logic dictates that the resulting position cannot possibly be the best guess. The only thing you know for sure is that the ball was NOT in that spot originally, so by placing it in ANY "uncertain" position you have a better chance of being correct. The only reason to consider leaving it where it ends up would be if moving it anywhere gives one side or the other an advantage they did not have before.
As is the case with any situation that doesn't fit exactly within the black and white of the rules, honesty and common sense should prevail.
Phil
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| lukecm |
Posted - 03/31/2007 : 06:40:23 AM
The rule book states:
Any balls moved accidentally during a shot MUST BE REPLACED BY THE OPPONENT after the shot is over and all balls have stopped rolling If it occurs before the shot, it must be replaced before the shot is taken.
The intent of this rule is that the balls are replaced as close as possible to their original position before play resumes and not to give either player an advantage. As a long time team captain, it has always been my policy that if the original position of the balls cannot be determined by either the shooter or the opponent, you leave them in their altered position.
If this policy seems to give either player an unfair advantage, I usually speak to the other team captain and suggest that the game be re-racked and begin again instead of causing an argument about the situation. |
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