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| poolguy |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 9:28:15 PM
Last night our first match, won my our '6' with no losses, took over an hour. The opponent took way too much time on most shots, and some were in the 2 to 3 minute time span.
What are the remedies to slow play? Can you complain and have the player put on a shot clock? If so, I would assume both players would be on the clock.
I ask because if it had been me playing it would have really thrown me off my game. I don't know if it was intentional sharking, but the slowness was over the top.
John
It only hurts if you miss. |
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| Showtime |
Posted - 11/05/2008 : 1:22:43 PM
I know this is a late response to this topic, but the rules state an average of 20 seconds per shot...
I sure hope people are good at math because it's not the same as "20 seconds per shot."
Good luck and good shooting! |
| Starman |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 3:14:20 PM
Back at the start, Poolguy mentioned it took an hour for a "6" to win against an arbitrary level -- you should feel so lucky -- about a week or so ago I witnessed a match that took over two hours to complete -- and it was a 2/2 matchup! [fortunately, I was just a spectator that night, it just happened to be in my home bar...]
I jokingly suggested the team captain should invest in a chess clock :)
However, from this discussion I see that the rules suggest a "guideline" of 20 seconds for a typical shot to 45 for one that takes care and precision. I was unaware of this, and in fact I thought I read [or perhaps heard] that the rule was actually 5 minutes [at which point you forfeit the game] Like many other "strict" rules, I don't think I've seen it enforced all that often. In this case there was a second table available to allow the next match to commence in parallel -- even with that, I think the team matches still went past midnight...
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| movistar |
Posted - 06/01/2008 : 2:57:56 PM
wasn't meant to include ALL shots... just wanted to share an idea that might work for slow "anything"... have a great day...
I had apparently, just read something about "coaching " and posted my message on the wrong "thread"... |
| poolguy |
Posted - 06/01/2008 : 2:50:58 PM
Movistar,
The rules suggest that a coaching session take *one minute*, not 30 seconds.
If I'm coaching a good player my coaching session will take 5 to 10 seconds. If I'm coaching a low skilled player, I'll try to explain things more so they "get it". But I don't think I ever go over 1 minute.
More importantly, this thread dealt with shots taking too long, not coaching sessions. If someone runs 30 seconds over on a coach I could care less. If they run to 4 minutes, I *do* care.
John
It only hurts if you miss. |
| movistar |
Posted - 06/01/2008 : 2:46:21 PM
ever watch the TV show "Who wants to be a Millionaire"?
when a contestant (shooter) phones a friend (coach)... just stand up at the table and say" Your 30 seconds starts NOW"...end of problem... that way everybody knows that there is a TIME LIMIT on coaching...
this would apply to BOTH teams...when the 30 second bell rings, the coaching is OVER!!!
shoot straight and keep your head down..... |
| frananator |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 4:08:09 PM
Hi John,
I have had pretty good success with talking to the captain and reminding him that his player will cost him "sudden death" in HLT if he is allowed to continue playing slow all the time. Anything can happen in "1 game" of 8 ball and "double points" in 9 ball and nobody wants that extra pressure placed on their sudden death player.
The captain usually then takes that issue to his player with the thought that he may not be allowed to play in HLT and cost them sudden death.
Seems like the next time I see that player they have stepped up their pace.
Fran |
| Phil |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 2:59:27 PM
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[i]Originally posted by poolguy[/i]
[br]Phil,
I was afraid your answer would be something like your answer.
To me, the rules are very clear in the time periods for shots. 20 seconds for a normal shot, 45 seconds for special or difficult shots. To me, it would make more sense for the captains to work this out and put players on the clock ... without having to call the powers that be and interrupt a match for 10 to 20 minutes.
The good thing is that this doesn't happen often. I just wish the captains could handle this themselves, to save overall time, etc.
John
It only hurts if you miss.
Yeah, the rules are clear. But if you want to clearly go by the rules, you will have to time every shot during the match, then calculate an average. You can't stop someone at 21 seconds if the previous shot was just 19. The rules clearly state that these times are averages, and the rules clearly state that these are guidelines.
Phil
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| poolguy |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 2:07:58 PM
Phil,
I was afraid your answer would be something like your answer.
To me, the rules are very clear in the time periods for shots. 20 seconds for a normal shot, 45 seconds for special or difficult shots. To me, it would make more sense for the captains to work this out and put players on the clock ... without having to call the powers that be and interrupt a match for 10 to 20 minutes.
The good thing is that this doesn't happen often. I just wish the captains could handle this themselves, to save overall time, etc.
John
It only hurts if you miss. |
| Phil |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 08:52:55 AM
Joe is right - you can't CALL a foul, but you can COMMIT a foul. Just don't forget to mark a defensive shot in this case...
Phil
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| bikercowboy |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 08:43:40 AM
The rules don't allow you to CALL the foul, but you could hand the ball to your player... getting to the same result. |
| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 08:36:38 AM
So if MY player is consistently taking too long and the opposing captain says something, I talk to my player and tell them to pick up the pace and they don't. I finally get fed up with MY player taking to long on every shot, you are telling me I can't walk over say foul pick up the cue ball and hand it to our opponent?
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| Phil |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 11:24:56 PM
The first step is to have your captain mention it to the slow player's captain, and ask for cooperation in speeding up play. Obviously, a little tact goes a long way here. Don't go to the other captain and say "You need to speed up your player." Rather, try something like "We need to move this match along. Tell ya what, I'll keep my player on pace if you'll do the same with yours."
Often this does the trick. If it doesn't, then one or both captains will have to get on the phone with us and we'll help sort it out.
Only league or tournament officials (or their delegates) can put a player on a shot clock and call fouls for slow play. However, there's nothing that says you can't time YOUR OWN PLAYER during his/her turn at the table, and tell them how long they are taking on each shot. You just can't call fouls on them.
Phil
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