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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
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 Posted - 09/14/2009 : 7:15:54 PM
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| Can someone direct me to where it explains how a skill level is determined? Im fairly new, and unsure how it all works. Thanks. |
Edited by - Jeff Burkhammer on 09/16/2009 3:57:45 PM |
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2009 : 7:38:04 PM
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It is determined by the stats of your games. The program that does this is a guarded secret and you won't find any specifics. My best guess is that it is based mostly on innings minus defenses played by you along with who you played. In other words if you beat a 2 then it is a little less potent than if you beat a 7. There is a section on the handicapping program in the rule book but it is very vague. If you find out then you will be miles ahead of the rest of the league.
There is one way to find out for sure and that is becoming a league operator. |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2009 : 8:16:10 PM
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| Thanks for the response, kinda what I figured. |
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2009 : 3:05:39 PM
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LOVE THE PUN IN YOUR SUBJECT LINE .....  ... BUT IT SHOULD BE CAN'T CULATIONS |
Edited by - Calcwby4u on 09/15/2009 3:06:41 PM |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2009 : 3:34:14 PM
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| lol, wooops, typo...... Yeah, ive learned alot more from google search on the subject. seems like a good system, and I understand why the secret. cant think of a better way to do it. But I did learn that LO does have influence if they see a need to raise the skill level. Which I feel can be good or bad...judgment call. But it really goes off of average, and they try and ignore your "bad games" , to help control sandbagging. Thats why it doesnt drop easy. But they calculate all things from lag wins to player position, meaning are you the "anchor" player and what not, and innings, etc.... I just wanted to understand to help set my personal goals, I am winning well, but havent moved up. I am however not very good at defense, so I do not choose those shots, I play offense 99 % of the time, which works for me, until i can grow the patience to practice defense, which I find BORING to practice.. My goal is to just get up as far as I can, and be happy with that. What I wonder is, when is a player "too good"? like Jerry Linn? he plays amazing master level pool in my opinion, beat our guy 74 to 3 in 11 innings! Move on to masters you little bully!! LOL! awesome shooting though, easy money.. I promise to not pick on amatures if I ever get that good. Seems to me there should be higher levels than 9! Kinda why Sal doesnt play alot. But, Im just in it for fun now.....!! Hopefully I can give Jerry a game one day. Sal? hmmm....no, not going there!!!! |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2009 : 4:27:53 PM
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| just read my last post, sounded bad, I meant to compliment Jerrys playing, hope that was clear. |
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movistar
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Posted - 09/16/2009 : 12:24:20 PM
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hi...glad you brought this up (skill levels)...
there really is no incentive in the APA to improve, because of the 23 rule... if your number goes up, your team has a difficult time playing higher skill levels.
I suggest that players consider , maybe raising the level in 9 ball to 25 since there are 8's and 9's (CAPTAINS... talk to your league operators)
some operators will suggest that, since there are 1'S that this offsets the higher levels... not true (in my thinking) because , if a 1 plays all season or maybe more, and WINS games, they should NOT remain a 1.
a 1 is somebody who can't hold a pool que or make balls, OR WIN ... they are beginners....if you can't beat them, they are not a legitimate 1 ...
Jeff, as for your question about how levels are determined... there is no (published) formula... but having a player "written up", has a lot of weight..... innings are crucial, but a player can have 10 innings in one game and then RUN the table but the computer doesn't see that.
let's keep track of scratches and ball in hand as part of the "formula"...
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Showtime
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2009 : 1:33:18 PM
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I'm just curious if SL's are are based on National data/statistics or only regional data/statistics. Can somone answer this for me?
If I disagree with you, it is because I am right. |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2009 : 1:51:44 PM
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| My point is this, at my level 5 now, ive beaten 7 and 8's on the record, and have played 9's on the side, and feel I can beat them, But a player like Jerry, he to me should be a bit higher if he can hold a experienced level 5 to 3 points to his 75 like he did the other night., kinda throws the whole "equalizer" out of whack doesnt it?. I get what you said about incentive, and I can see raising my level as meaning I wont play as much,which would suck. So I guess in that situation I will look at singles to play, and quit the team, or start a team with low skill levels. But we, (my girlfriend and I) joined our team to play with our friends, so if that becomes the case, we will probably just quit and just play tournaments or something. We really want to do a Jack and Jill thing out of Buteras, gonna talk to Sal about tonight, any others interested??? |
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PekingTurtle
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Posted - 09/16/2009 : 3:29:38 PM
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| Movistar, isn't that the reason they have the handicap system so ones, twos, and threes can compete with the higher handicapped players? To say that if a one wins once they should go up is unfair, my wife who is a one and has won several times. She can barley hold a stick and is still learning, would it be fair to her to move her up to a two? All of her wins have been fairly lucky and had she won and gone up to a two after her first win she may have never won a single match and would probably not be playing anymore. Isnt this a supposed to be fun league that wants new players? As far as raising to 23 rule to 25, the APA does offer a masters division, i suggest if eights and nines are having a hard time finding teams they should form their own teams and play there. |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2009 : 3:59:08 PM
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That is great advice. Didnt realize that was an option.
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot. |
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2009 : 4:53:16 PM
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| The problem with Masters is that not enough people are willing to play in any one city and you end up with a team traveling all over two different counties. I think it is possible in a couple years to start up a couple masters leagues. That is when the younger high sl players like Matt, E, Renee, J, and myself feel that we as a group are ready. Then we may have enough people to join the previous generation of players to make it a local league. |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 12:44:57 AM
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Hmmm, yeah, drinkin and travelin is kinda tough. Hey I talked to Sal, he is open to having scotch doubles, or Jack and Jill night sunday evenings, not sure of the difference in the 2. But it seems like it would be fun, so if anyone interested in playing sunday evenings , like say 5 or 6 pm, and have combined sl of 12 or less, lets do it....My gal bounces from 4-5 on sl, Ive been a 5...and we think we will be tough to beat, so bring it!! and lets have some fun eh? email me, let me know....thanks, jeffburkhammer@yahoo.com
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot. |
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badactionpool
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2009 : 01:25:57 AM
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IM READY KEITH
Matt Munowitch AKA. Mr. Bad Action AKA Capt. Lush |
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Keith
USA
242 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2009 : 02:40:42 AM
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| I said as a group. I knew you would jump into it now but it would take more than one person. Just hold your horses until enough people are willing to give masters a try. Phil and Taz have said that if there are enough people that want to play they will do it. Hopefully we can test this by the end of 2010. |
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2009 : 05:29:37 AM
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We tried Masters and you are correct. There are a few hi skill level players in each area, but no one area has enough to have their own "masters" league. The travelling killed the league.
We tried a doubles league, and it died as well. It has been a number of years now, but we would be more than willing to try it again, if enough players are interested and teams can be put together (minimum required 6).
Our area gets a guaranteed slot into the Jack 'n Jill Championships in Vegas (April), as well as the 8-Ball Doubles and 9-Ball Doubles Championships (Aug/Sept). In the past, it has simply gone to whoever requested the slot and paid the entry fee. We could use the slot(s) as the prize(s); however, the skill level limit would have to be 10.
As to moving skill level total to 25, there are other leagues out there who offer that. Feel free to join them. The 23 Rule is the most important rule in our system in order to keep teams from becoming "stacked". Once teams become stacked, the same two or three teams win every time. Our system gives every team a chance, even those who choose not to have a SL7/9 on their team. |
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