| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
 Posted - 12/18/2009 : 2:36:23 PM
|
WE just finished up 9 Ball Camarillo. PLaying in 2nd Rd of playoff the team that finished 1 point higher then us was the host location. I hate to say it but there location witch numerous people hate to play there is Outlaws. (Great Place just not for pool) Karaoke on thursday has a HUDGE crowd already in a small room. The table conditions are horrendous couldn't even begin to think why they play out of there!
My point is 18 week season chance to go to TOC comes down to un -fair playing conditions at this host locations. If you play at the Lamp or Bowling alley at least the tables are treated with respect. I also think that it effects there SKILL LEVEL running up more innings while continuing to shoot a great game.
Member Stats
Player # Name SL MP MW
00748 Mac DeRemer 4 8 7 MAC A 4?????? PLEASE
07210 Brett Beers 4 9 5 MOst of season was a 3
08020 Gregory Moore 6 5 2
08026 Mark De Rosa 3 11 5
08030 Dennis Varadin 3 6 3 OK 50%
08056 Daniel Pitt 5 6 3 ok 50%
08406 Elton Donaldson 5 6 3 MOst of season was a 3-4
08907 Arnold Doria 7 9 8 MOst of season was a 6
Not to take anything away from there team but i feel this should be addressed. Hope i don't piss you off...
D-RACK |
Edited by - D-RACK on 12/18/2009 3:15:45 PM |
|
|
sunnicagrl
18 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 3:19:44 PM
|
I didn't want to complain....BUT...
1. The host location is horrible for Thursday night pool. Thursday night Karoake brings in a very large crowd...great for bar....horrible for the pool table. I have learned to deal with the loudest Karoake ever, but you have to pass the pool tables to get into the bar. You can imagine how many times you get hit or bumped into while playing. When breaking or playing out of the kitchen - GOOD LUCK. If someone doesn't hit you - you're one of the few.
2. The tables are horrific.  You can practice all you want, but defense means nothing when your ball cannot roll...."up stream." You basically have to hit hard and play loose. Play center ball on every shot and hope your cue ball goes less than 2 rails after hitting a rail "down stream."
3. Disappointment  - Our team worked our way from almost last into the playoffs. To see MANY shots taken away for reasons 1-2 is a disppointment.
My husband always tells me to play the table, not the person. The table??? I feel like my team would have had a better chance shooting on the carpet. At least no one would use our table for a coaster, chair, or arm rest.
The team we played was awesome. They are very used to these conditions and have learned to adapt to the constant distractions, but what are our choices????
Stephanie Adrian |
 |
|
|
Keith
USA
242 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 06:41:44 AM
|
I have a question. Are you complaining because you lost or because you don't like the conditions at that location?
I used to play out of there and every time they would get the tables redone they would be worse. They did at least try but didn't know where to turn to not make conditions worse. If you want to help the conditions. Find out who can fix their tables then inform them on who is capable of fixing them. In the 4 or 5 seasons I played out of that location they had the tables covered twice but the person didn't know what they were doing. I don't know if they were duped or trying to save money. From what I have seen Gibbi does some decent work and could probably do a lot better than what has been done in the past. As for the room you need to play. That sucks but once borderline opens back up it will probably thin out a bit. My team was dealing with the same thing at the Arena in Simi. One person even squeezed in behind me when I was lining up a shot and sat down. I didn't know they were there and actually hit them in the head in my back stroke. I said I was sorry and made sure they were ok and it didn't even phase him. He went back to watching the people dance and I went ahead and kicked at the ball instead of banking it. I can only imagine what is happening at PJ's.
As for Mac's skill level. I would be willing to bet you that he has an off season next season. This would be based on the upcoming tax season. He always struggles during that time and if he ever retires then watch out.
Sorry about going on and on but I am tired and need sleep. Don't be surprised if I edit this later when I am thinking clearly.
Insert inspirational sentence here. |
|
|
|
Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 09:09:16 AM
|
quote:
[i]Originally posted by D-RACK[/i]
[br]WE just finished up 9 Ball Camarillo. PLaying in 2nd Rd of playoff the team that finished 1 point higher then us was the host location. I hate to say it but there location witch numerous people hate to play there is Outlaws. (Great Place just not for pool) Karaoke on thursday has a HUDGE crowd already in a small room. The table conditions are horrendous couldn't even begin to think why they play out of there!
My point is 18 week season chance to go to TOC comes down to un -fair playing conditions at this host locations. If you play at the Lamp or Bowling alley at least the tables are treated with respect.
There are 12 teams in this division, and five tables combined at the Lamp and the bowling alley. People have issues with all three of the other locations. Pick your poison.
quote:
I also think that it effects there SKILL LEVEL running up more innings while continuing to shoot a great game.
Member Stats
Player # Name SL MP MW
00748 Mac DeRemer 4 8 7 MAC A 4?????? PLEASE
07210 Brett Beers 4 9 5 MOst of season was a 3
08020 Gregory Moore 6 5 2
08026 Mark De Rosa 3 11 5
08030 Dennis Varadin 3 6 3 OK 50%
08056 Daniel Pitt 5 6 3 ok 50%
08406 Elton Donaldson 5 6 3 MOst of season was a 3-4
08907 Arnold Doria 7 9 8 MOst of season was a 6
Not to take anything away from there team but i feel this should be addressed. Hope i don't piss you off...
D-RACK
Now, this is just selective memory. Brett Beers has been a 4 for over a year, and Elton Donaldson went up to a 5 LAST session. Arnold is a new player this session (and he lost his match last week). For the record, Brett, Elton, and Arnold were all idle this week. They all played in week 8, however, when that team beat your team 65-35 at YOUR location. 64-36 and you would have played this match at home...
Phil
|
|
|
|
Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 09:13:14 AM
|
One more thing, Derrick. If playing on horrible equipment is unfair, when can we expect you to return that "I beat the league operator" patch you won at the Captains' Tournament? 
Phil
|
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 4:25:26 PM
|
Check and see if there wasn't a forfeit when they won that night.
Keith i wasnt complaining i was stating a fact that the table conditions are horrible. Com down and see for yourself |
|
|
|
Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 6:19:44 PM
|
I checked, no forfeit.
Phil
|
|
|
|
Torsten
USA
401 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 9:35:14 PM
|
Derrick, I empathize. However, if you look hard enough, you can find someone to complain about EVERY host location, perhaps Butera's notwithstanding, as they have done an excellent job making ideal conditions for pool players, apa and otherwise.
At Borderline, a sagging floor makes it impossible to keep a level table. And I would need both hands to count the amount of times a group of drunk women flock around the table so one of them can show off her new engagement ring under the light... as of course I'm lining up the eight.
PJ's keeps their tables well, but it is a smallish joint for 4 tables. You do get hit there by people milling about.
I used to be on a team that played out of Akrey's in Newbury Park. To say that those tables were waffle irons with cloth on them would be giving them too much credit.
Anyway, my point is, I know it sucks when you work hard and fall short. Maybe the other team had a bit of an advantage playing on shoddy tables. Maybe they're bigger fans of karaoke and thrive on the noise. They call it home field advantage for a reason. Would the Phillies have fared better in the World Series had the Yankees not had home field advantage? Rather than dwell on bad luck or someone butchering a led zeppelin song during a crucial shot, let it motivate you to get to first place next season and secure home field.
To address the SLs of your opponents, you do have forms you can fill out if you believe that someone is not ranked properly. Keep in mind, there are varying degrees of skill levels. Without mentioning names and who is who, I play on four teams, and taking everyone into account, I can think of a couple of my teammates who are strong enough at their current level that they are better than pretty much everyone else at that level. I also have teammates that are so dreadful at their level that it's a near cardiac arrest causing shock when they win. If you take someone like Mac, whom you clearly consider to be stronger than a 4, you need to take that into account in your matchups. I know who the strong 4s and the weak ones are in my divisions, and plan matchups accordingly. It doesn't always work out but you do what you can.
Good luck next season, bro
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
|
|
|
Keith
USA
242 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2009 : 03:46:18 AM
|
T: Would you consider me a strong or weak 4?
D: I have been down there somewhat recently on a Wednesday night. Even though it is a different night the tables are the same. They are not the worst tables I have played on but they could definitely use a face lift.
Insert inspirational sentence here. |
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2009 : 09:30:48 AM
|
Phil -
What where there current SL in week 2 when we played them. Was there 7 still a 4 ? THere 5 still a 4? |
|
|
|
Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2009 : 12:17:50 PM
|
The only one who was different from last week was the new guy, who was a 6 at the time. It took him all of 7 matches to get to his current level of 7. How long were you a 6 before you went up? And it wasn't week 2, it was week 8.
I'm not going back and forth any more with you over skill levels. There are people who think some of the levels on your team are low. You could say that about any team in the league, somebody somewhere thinks skill levels are low.
Your team lost to this team. You lost at home in week 8 and at their place in the finals. With all the "advantage" their home location gives them, they could only manage to finish ONE point ahead of you in the standings. Get over it.
Phil
|
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
|
|
Playing Conditions
