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D-RACK
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 Posted - 06/15/2010 : 09:50:24 AM
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Had a issue come up last night where the opponent took a timeout. I approached the table to discuses strategy (The 8 was tied up in the corner) I showed my player where and what I wanted him to do with a ball in hand. The other coach said I cant come to the table at all. I was distracting his timeout. The other coach is a friend of mine but didn't believe me or the division rep. when I said I was allowed to talk strategy with my player at the table. (He made a specific reference to me waving my hand over a area where I wanted my player to leave the ball.) I contacted the league office and was told I was in no violation of the rules. Since I know he reads the message board I would like a clarification on this topic.
On a side note : LEFT HANDED BREAKERS SUCK!!! lol you know who are!!!! (MT)LMAO
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Edited by - D-RACK on 06/15/2010 10:26:33 AM |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 10:42:33 AM
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Derrick,
The only thing I would say is it was their timeout not yours. I think you should stay back and let them discuss their strategy. You could be listening in to see what they are trying and tell your player what to do off of their strategy. I realize it is not a rule, but maybe just being considerate. Just my two cents worth. |
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 11:09:34 AM
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Moose -
I wasn't listing to there strategy but then again I have every-right to......It's not like i was standing next to them ........ But thats all semantics....
The other coach had a problem with me pointing out a area on the table where i wanted him to leave the CUE if he got ball in hand....
" Let me give you a situation.... "
Say your opponent is in a timeout and you (as the player) over hear there strategy. There is no rule stating you cant listen in..... You have every right to the table with your coach during a timeout..... If I felt my opponent was purposely ease dropping then i would move back or wait for them to move away .... hell this is not at a higher level tournament like REGIONALS, or Nationals is weekly play...Remember they are welcome to discuses their strategy during your timeouts....
BTW (SL3 vs SL3)
Hope all is well up north!!!!! Glad see you still checking in!!!Always did like you!
Still want more input on subject please leave your SL at bottom of post want to get idea of different levels replying(IF YOU WANT)
D-RACK (7)
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SFVMark
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 12:22:25 PM
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I don't think you did anything wrong, IMO. Although, I may not be the best judge of right and wrong.
Mark (6)
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rhaydt
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 3:46:03 PM
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In general when it is not your turn then you should not be near the table. And during regular league play you are always allowed to discuss strategy with your player when the opponent is shooting.
You can argue that you should not be allowed to approach the table simply because it is not your turn.
You must respect the space of the player that is shooting regardless if it is a timeout or not. And you should not disrupt the opponents timeout by talking near the table.
I feel that approaching the table and eavesdropping shows poor etiquette.
There are other ways to communicate with your player besides walking up to the table and drawing a diagram. Stay a step away from the table and use the diamonds for reference to explain your strategy.
I do not remember this ever being an issue. Most players are very considerate.
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 4:06:53 PM
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@ ryhdat
@ Moose
All really good points........... but my QUESTION is was there a rule broken. I was told I cant its against the RULES!
Pool etiquette can be argued for ever....this is strictly a rule QUESTION.
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Edited by - D-RACK on 06/15/2010 4:13:36 PM |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 4:14:38 PM
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Derrick,
I have no doubt that you were not listening in to thier conversation. I was just stating what my arguement would be if that happened to me while I was giving a time out. I suppose the circumstances would definitly dictate my responce.
Didn't the league office tell you that it was not against the rules?
Everything is great up here. Thanks for asking. Hope all is well with you and your family. So you always did like me, you don't like me anymore? :). You broke me into the league in Camarillo and for that I will always be gratefull.
8-ball (7)
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 04:43:19 AM
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I found out about this rule when a 9 did interrupt my timeout with my player. You can approach the table but out of respect should try to stay out of the way. I go up to the table on occasion during the other teams timeout. I then return to my player and explain what I'm trying to help them on. Making sure to stay out of the way and have my discussion away from the table. From what I understand what happened in your post. You didn't break any rules but possibly did break the spirit of the rules. Just think how you would feel if your opponent spent your whole timeout at the table distracting you.
Keith (7)
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rhaydt
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 4:28:21 PM
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Derrick,
You left out some details of what happen at the timeout. It is my understanding that when the timeout was over and the player was trying to take her shot, you were still at the table explaing things to your player. This is when you were asked to leave the table, and this is when the issue came up.
The team manual is in no way a complete legal document, and there are a lot of unwritten rules in billiards.
So if opponents are allowed to approach the table during a timeout then when the timeout is over, you will be left standing at the table. This becomes the problem. And this is what happen in your case.
So yes, there is no written rule, regular league play should not be so formal, but standing at the table when an opponent is shooting should not have to be in the rule book.
Richard
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 10:37:11 PM
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He left that out of the phone call too.
To clarify, during a time out, the sitting player and his/her coach may approach the table, as long as they are not interfering with or eavesdropping on instruction given to the shooting player by his/her coach. Everyone must leave the playing area before the shooter attempts a shot.
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 1:19:16 PM
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Richard you weren't even there.............AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!
SHE WAS TALKING TO HER COACH!!
DONT BUTT THE **** IN AND MAKE STATEMENTS!!!!!!! IF YOU WERE NOT THERE!!!!!!!
THE TIMEOUT WAS NOT OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phil, RICHARD IS 100% WRONG IN HIS STATEMENT!!! I will have my words with you on this topic!!!
I hate when motherf%#$kers state facts and were not even there ....WHATEVER INFO YOU HEARD that was not the dam case....
SO LET ME EXPLAIN SINCE YOU WANT TO KNOW!!!!
Keith was talking to his player mine was standing against the wall I walked over to the table and showed him a area of where I wanted the ball Keith was still talking to Dawn when he argued the fact if i could be at the table... SHE WAS NO WAY IN HER SHOT! HE WAS STILL AT THE TABLE WITH HER!
DERRICK
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rhaydt
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 5:00:49 PM
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Yes, I was not there. I talked to Keith on Wednesday and he was not even aware of this topic on the message board when he brought up this subject. Too bad you were not there to defend yourself but I am sticking to my version of the story.
Keith also told me that you were rather animated while talking to your player some distance away and it was disturbing to Keith's timeout.
I would like to add to Phil's last response. If the player taking the timeout feels distracted by the opponent they should be able to ask the opponent to be quiet and to stay out of the way. The table still belongs to the player.
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2010 : 6:29:32 PM
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Just to let everyone know this is a different Keith and not me that was there. I'm the one that plays out in the T.O. league. Hey guys this seems to be getting a little personal. I would like to ask you to please calm down before you see each other on a Monday.
Derrick you are a cool guy and I hope to play against you again. Well at least your team cas Bernardo always played you. You gave me a couple great pieces of advise and I hope I can return the favor. None of this holds a candle to what your kid means to you. When you get mad just think of that hug you will get when you get home.
Richard you were the 9 that I learned this rule from in a very rude way. Not to mention the fact you tried to say that my player had half the time to take a shot then the rulebook says. In my opinion it was not your best night.
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2010 : 01:51:56 AM
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Just my three cents. You, as a coach, can talk to you player while the opponent is at the table. Yeah, you should probably make an effort to not infringe on the timeout being taken, but seriously. This should not get personal. The easy solution is, if you are on a timeout, coaching your player, and you feel somebody is infringing upon your space, politely ask them to give you a little real estate. I talk to my players constantly during the course of their matches, telling them what I think their opponent is going to do and how they should respond. Especially during a time out. So lets not make any more of this than it is. It could have been easily sorted out on the spot if there was a problem.
Derrick, I'm in your corner on this one, but referring to people as mother****ers is not cool, regardless of your intent. I get that there was a disagreement. And I don't know Keith (B., not P, who i've known for several years now) all that well so I can't offer an opinion of his personality that night. But in truth, this should never have gotten to the website.
Richard, I like and respect you, but I think you let this get personal too. I reiterate, this is an issue that should have been nipped in the bud right on scene. And if Derrick was still at the table when the player was ready to shoot, he should have been politely asked to step away. Objectivity is my point here, and as a sportsman and generally good guy, I think you'll understand my point.
So I will finish with a disclaimer, I myself was not there, and I'm perfectly willing to accept being wrong if I've misinterpreted anything in this thread. Just offering my four cents. I know it was three when I started, but inflation's a bitch. :)
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2010 : 1:05:09 PM
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@ Kieth ty for the support....and yes we need to meet up and play again ...LMK if you got a spot on your team for a good 3 and a 7...... one season....
@ Torsten... Your correct i might of been heated when i posted my comment but the fact of the matter is he wasn't there and then proceed to make me look like I lied to the LO when i called them. I dint call anyone any names is said I hate it when "motherf*&kers state facts when they weren't there...that goes for anyone... wasn't directed at anyone...
@ Everyone else thanks for the input..especially Keith, Torsten,Richard,Kerry and LO this concludes my opinion on this post.
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2010 : 01:17:43 AM
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If I had only known. I did have 2 spots and wanted a high skill level to join the team but have since then filled the spots. Oh well my 2 noobs are really cool people too. If I have any spots open up I will make sure to hit you up.
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Time-Out Clarification PLEASE
