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Phil
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 Posted - 07/20/2010 : 02:35:33 AM
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[i]Originally posted by The Hunter[/i]
[br]I will go on the record to say that, I was the one accused of saying politely that I will f--- you up if you touch my Q. And just so you have the facts, THAT WAS A BLATANT LIE intended to justify that persons actions!!!! I also told the person who told me that, the same thing during our pow wow. A person who doesn't and is afraid to fight won't make the comment someone told you I made!!!!
Multiple someones, concerning different incidents more than six months apart. Nearly identical phrase ("I'll mess you up"). Coincidental liars?
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Lastly If you think I did this to push anyone's buttons or if you think I like pushing peoples buttons you are sadly mistaken and you really don't know me. Now I know what you really think of me.
You're right, I really don't know you. Maybe you don't like to push peoples buttons. But to put it in perspective, the use of that phrase has been reported to us exactly twice in sixteen years, and both times it was attributed to you. Oh, and both times you were the one who wrote up a complaint about the behavior of someone else. What do you expect me to think?
Phil
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 12:01:39 PM
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Pointless to discuses anything here. Everyone is wrong. lol
All ENVELOPES turned in....
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The Hunter
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 7:37:22 PM
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Phil,
Thanks for the feedback. I was unaware that this had been said about me 6 months ago. I realize I have written a few sportsmanship complaints but I do know I have never threatened anyone. That is something I just don't do. I know for a fact there were 2 witness this last time that heard what I said. I even asked them, at the time did I say somethng wrong to him. The reply was no. You were stern but said nothing bad.
i have learned two things from this topic.
1. I should not have replyed to this topic and shared my experience. This got way out of hand. Won't reply to a topic again.
2. In the future you won't see any more write ups from me for sportsmanship issues or skill level evaluations. It is obvious to me that what others can and will say to protect themselves can hurt my reputation and that just isn't worth it to me. I only want to play pool peacefully. No more tatle tale for me.
I don't blame you for any of this and I have no hard feelings towards you. This is what I get for trying to do the right thing, as a captain, to help make the APA better. Me and my team are here to have fun only. Goin with the flow from here on no matter what happens.
Keep up the good work.
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apapj
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 4:03:53 PM
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We would like everyone to now that the message board is NOT the place to air out grievances. This league has a process in place for dealing with sportsmanship issues. The process is as follows:
The LO gets a written complaint and then proceeds to gather information. Letters are sent out to every member of the two teams involved in order to get each individual’s account of the incident. Bartenders and others (witnesses) are interviewed (when deemed necessary) and asked for their input. AFTER the individuals have a chance to turn in their write-ups, THEN the Board Of Governors is convened. We review all written materials taking all sides into consideration. The LO shares previous incidents and player history, if any. We hold discussions until a resolution is agreed upon by the majority of our members. The resolutions follow the APA guidelines listed in the APA Team Manual in the Conduct During League Play section.
Sportsmanship issues MUST be written up and sent to the league office so that they can be handled appropriately. This process, due to its nature, takes time. Given the proper time the above process does work.
Thank you.
All Board of Governors’ Members
Pam Hulsey, President |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 4:38:49 PM
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Pam,
It would probably help us, and give you credibility if you told us exactly who you are. |
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TCIndepMo
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 12:21:17 PM
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"...give you credibility if you told us exactly who you are."
Not a good idea, IMO. I used to disclose that info to all players in my area (greater Kansas City) and before long everybody that was unhappy about anything just wanted to constantly complain about everything to them. Some BOGs were confronted as they were still walking across the parking lot towards the front door, etc. Freedom of speech is great but it became very difficult for the BOG to remain neutral during deliberations.
Duty of my BOG is to advise me on issues - not deal with unhappy players for me. All final decisions are up to the LO.
Now my BOG is in place but only I know their IDs. If someone wants to deny them creditibility because their names are not made public - that's up to you.
I am not totally up to speed on specifics of your local situation but each LO has latitude to handle local matters as they think appropriate.
DISCLOSURE - I am the LO in Jackson County, Missouri (since 1970).
TomCampbell
APA Independence Missouri |
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Moose Dragon
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 12:40:01 PM
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Tom,
I was not asking for personal information, besides she already gave us her name. I was asking because she is posting as if she is someone in authority in the APA. Read her post again. It reads as if she is a LO or higher up.
I know what the BOG members do and the importance of not making them known to the public. I was a BOG member in the Southcoast APA for several years.
Maybe posting for her to "tell us exactly who you are" was the improper way of asking my question. I should have said What position do you hold in the APA, or are you just an interested party?
Thanks for the input
Kerry Randolph
Member of the Spokane APA, Former member of the Southcoast APA. |
Edited by - Moose Dragon on 08/01/2010 12:41:07 PM |
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Taz
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 3:45:25 PM
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Our Board of Governors is compromised of all of our Division Reps. This is not, nor has it ever been, a secret in our league area.
Pam Hulsey is the president of our BOG. I don't understand the "tell us who you are" bit. What exactly are you asking? She told you who she is.
Our last BOG meeting (which dealt with the posts in this thread), culminated with the BOG wanting to make a general statement to our membership and wanted the statement to come from the BOG, not the LO. They collaborated on the statement and wanted to post it on this message board. Discussion was held as to who should do the actual posting (again, they wanted to post from THE BOG, not the LO). The BOG decided to elect a president and Pam was nominated, seconded and elected by a unanimous vote of those present.
Pam Hulsey has been a member of our Board of Governors (Division Rep) since the inception of the BOG. |
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movistar
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Posted - 08/01/2010 : 5:43:15 PM
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2010 : 10:17:31 PM
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Some do, some don't. I know San Diego has one (sdapa.com) that's like ours for the most part. There used to be a page at poolplayers.com that had links to other league area websites, but it got hard to maintain so they took those links off the page. However, you can bop around on the locator map there and find sites for other areas. Some have message boards, some do not.
Phil
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Moose Dragon
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2010 : 07:45:33 AM
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Taz,
Since as you mention Pam was elected President of the BOG at the last meeting there was no way for anyone to know that. I think maybe an introduction in her post would have explained her position. Even letting everyone know that she was posting for the BOG might have made people listen a little closer. That was my point to begin with. If you don't know Pam is the President of the BOG, or even a BOG member, than she just looks like another interested pary.
Again, the reason I asked the "tell us who you are" bit is because her post read as if she was in authority, but I could not tell what authority. I did not disagree with Pam in any way. I found her post to be very well written and informative. It should clear up any questions people have about the disciplinary process the APA uses. I was not trying to stir up the pot or cause controversy. I was just trying to help. Again, maybe my wording was wrong but my intent was good.
Kerry
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D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2010 : 11:05:36 PM
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So after weeks is there ruling? ................. wait thats right the BOG meeting isn't till OCTOBER? So remember the system works just takes forever....
My question is this :
If a incident happens in the APA on a League night forms sent to BOTH teams requesting explanation of facts. Why cant the LO hand down a punishment or a ruling why wait and afford that member the right to continually make playing in the APA miserable?
Shouldn't the teams that filled out the paperwork be afforded an explanation on the ruling?
I will wait for a reply stating some BULL**** from someone!
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Taz
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 07:01:34 AM
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You would have received that information in your Monday night team envelope (Aug. 2), as the BOG met on July 31, which you would know if you bothered to read the previous posts on this thread (with an attempt to understand what you read); however, the league office was advised that you were on a family vacation and would not be at league this week and therefore I chose not to send out the information since you wouldn't be there to receive it and it could get lost or taken by someone else, in which case you would claim you never got it and this whole thing would once again get blown out of proportion as you like to do.
You can anticipate receiving it next week. If that's not quick enough for you, that's just TOOOOO DARNNNNN BADDDDD! |
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Zorro
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 08:44:54 AM
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Mr. Rack,
Do you think that the LO has nothing better to do then to be at ur Beck and Call? O wait, that's right: BABYSIT... Remember we pay them right? TO PLAY POOL not to deal w the "little things" that happen almost every night of play somewhere. I say "little things" because if this person was going to kick ur butt,it would have been done. I respect the fact that u did not fight, after the insult and the shove... It takes a big man to walk away... But even a BIGGER one not to "BITCH" about it to everyone.
A part from Wikipedia for Insult:
Though a popular idiom refers to "adding insult to injury", in a medical context, they are one and the same: physicians examine injuries resulting from an insult to flesh and bones, caused by various traumatic events. In speech and in social settings, insults are words which tend to injure or damage the psyche. In humor, insults may be exchanged in much the same way as fighters exchange blows in training, to develop a resistance to the pain of mild injuries, or to spar with no real intention of causing any serious injury.
Hey I know what we can do... We can get everybody together that wants or has wanted to kick someones ass. Have everyone sign waivers, rent out a boxing ring, put on the gloves, ring the bell and come out swinging. We can sell tickets to the "APA I'm gonna kick ur ass boxing match" I bet we could even hold it at the Arena.
As far as ur quote: "Either 1 of 2 things are gonna happen, He will get his wish and try to fight me....or he will be allowed to stay in the league and I will therefore resign and take any and every person I know with me."
Gave u an answer for 1 now 2: Don't threaten us with a good time. LOL I know u and I'm staying here along w a lot of other people we know.
With that said I bid u n ur family good day...
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 1:22:49 PM
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Phil, Taz, and now Zorro, why don't you three grow up. You are doing the same thing to Derrick that you are chastizing him about. The three of you are attacking him with not so thinly veiled comments, and insults. If you think you can act this way on a public forum just because you are the owners of it, then you need to rethink your customer service policy. If you truly don't want people airing dirty laundry, insulting each other, attacking each other, and generally acting like spoiled children, than lead by example. I know Derrick, and I know like everyone else in this world he has his faults, but I do not believe anyone deserves what the three of you have done to him and his good name. My suggestion is when you post to someone specifically keep your sharp tongue in your mouth and treat them with respect.
Before you start ripping on me I will say, I have been in the APA for some time now and yes I have had my moments that I am not proud of, but I don't believe I have ever treated anyone with so much obvious disrespect.
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I am rewriting this post. I am going to leave the original on as well. I believe when a person realizes they have made a mistake they should take responsibility and not hide from it. I could just delete it or write over it but then my awakening would not make as much sense and that would be the cowards way out.
Phil responded to me via email. I explained to him my position in much more detail. I did error when I said they were chastising Derrick for attacking others in his posts. At no point did they do that. What I should have posted was: I feet as if Phil, and Taz are posting things that they have chastised people for in the past. These posts were starting to bother me and I felt the need to say something. In hindsight, and I realized this about half way thru my email to Phil that I had done the same thing. I was taking my turn to attack and or insult Phil, Taz, and Zorro. My reaction should have been in an email, phone call, or face to face conversation with Phil and or Taz. These are my opinions and I know not everyone will share them. I just wish I would have realized before posting that they should have been done in a more personal venue. I do regret some of the things I wrote and how I wrote them. However, I do stand behind the basics of my post. We all should remember that our words do affect others and are not always interpreted in the way we intend them to be.
If anyone wants to respond to this and tell me what you think (good or bad), feel free to email me at bowlingguy800@hotmail.com. |
Edited by - Moose Dragon on 08/09/2010 11:43:12 AM |
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