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movistar
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 Posted - 03/16/2011 : 10:43:57 AM
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I play 8 ball out of a location that has become unbearable for our team and others to play decent pool and have fun. we have found a NEW place to play, but the league operators REFUSE to let us move. not really sure why ! (what if the bar closed, then what)
a simple phone call to the opponent on our HOME night could indicate the NEW location. Another team already plays there so EVERYBODY knows where it is.
Has anybody else had this problem and what can we do ?
as far as the computer is concerned... just "HIGHLIGHT the existing location and TYPE in the NEW location....
just telling us to "suck it up"..will not work ......thanks
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 4:29:08 PM
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Gary, you're out of line. I talked to your captain yesterday and explained to him why we're not moving the team until next session. The bottom line is we don't take business away from our host locations unless the locations request it themselves. If we did, then everyone who ever got mad at a bartender or manager would be moving their teams mid-session. That's not right, and we won't do it.
It's hard enough to find places to play these days without alienating locations by taking away business they count on.
By the way, unless the location you wanted to move to is named Champs, moving the team would be more complicated than you seem to think it is.
Phil
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 10:54:09 AM
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I am sorry. I didn't realize that "Speaking the TRUTH" in a country where truth is seldom heard anymore, that I was "OUT OF LINE".....
for informational purpose only,
I have talked to the bar manager on NUMEROUS occasions about the conditions and have not gotten any satisfying co-operation and that we were going to move the team.... so this is NOT an overnight decision on our part.....they were warned... as for losing our business... they should have thought about that when we requested co-operation. |
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bikercowboy
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Posted - 03/17/2011 : 11:46:31 AM
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Interesting twist on the perception of being out of line. You chose to play out of the location at the beginning of the session. The LO has made a business decision that you cant change your location until end of session unless the location closes or asks the team to leave. The LO is consistent with that answer as I myself requested on Sat to move my team to another location. Was given the same answer. You can change next session. You are out of line in the fact that you expect a different answer than was is current policy. You seem to fail to realize that sometimes it not about the individual team or player but what is appropriate for the entire leaque
Isn't the object to make the object ball? But yes you are right the leave would be awesome if it was your shot. |
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2011 : 6:00:06 PM
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Really Gary? Speaking the Truth? Whose truth are you speaking? Let's see..."the league operators REFUSE to let us move." First untruth. It is not a refusal it is implementing the same policy across the board in our business. If you were not sure why, perhaps you should have asked. Your team captain did and it was explained to him.
Telling you to "suck it up" Second untruth. No one in this office told anyone to "suck it up". We certainly didn't tell you that, as you never contacted the office. We also didn't say that to your Team Captain (who did call). We explained the policy that is in place and the reasons for said policy. He didn't like it much (as it affects his team), but HE UNDERSTOOD the policy and the need to apply it evenly across the board, and was much more graceful in his acceptance of the situation.
As to the rest of your post, your team was aware of the conditions of the pool table before the start of the session and chose to play there anyway. I guess maybe your team should have given that more thought when chosing a host location. |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 9:31:53 PM
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seems to be some technical issues here. the word "refuse" was used to mean that it wasn't being allowed NOW, as in "this week" ... and that is the truth we speak of.
As for "choosing to play there, we have played there for many years and were hoping that things would get better.. but they only got worse until it has become an 'UNbearable Location, as I stated in the topic.
as for the second untruth. I asked " has anybody else had this problem and what can we do" ?
and I said, don't tell us to "suck it up"...
I NEVER said that YOU told us that !!!!
I really expected a little more player friendly cooperation to relieve our problem... IN MY OLD AGE, I SEEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE OUTSPOKEN than my captain... he did tell me what you told him, but I really didn't understand what the "Policy " was and felt like anything can be done if people try ! I don't find the "policy" in the rule book, could you please post it here? is this "policy" an APA rule or just SouthCoast ?
if i am not mistaken, I think the LO's all across the country work for the players ... cause we are the ones who are paying their wages.
once again.. I am only speaking the truth... I try to live my life believing that anything can be done and the word "CAN"T is not in my vocabulary... sorry if I offend anybody ..
mr Bikercowboy, I don't think I was out of line in anyway, I was making a legitimate request and not expecting a DIFFERENT answer, only a just solution to an ongoing problem that is not getting better. sorry you are having problems too. but you also failed to state what the "SAME ANSWER" was. and i never realized that our request was not appropriate and would affect the entire league. ... this is America... I respect your opinions as I hope you do mine.... have a good day.... I haven't written this much since i tried to rewrite the bible...lol |
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 12:20:45 AM
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Gary, I feel your pain, having played out of Akreys in newbury park. When my team was there, the current manager of the establishment treated us well and it was fun. She left, a new guy took over, and it ruined it for us. Not only was he unaccomodating, his friends came in on pool night and heckled us. So, we left. After the season. Nobody is telling you to "suck it up." But the place you are playing now will feel the impact of your team leaving to play eslewhere next season. Don't blame Phil and Taz for not allowing a change of location towards the end of a season. Just take solace or whatever you want to call it, in the fact that the place you are currently playing at will suffer financially by your team leaving. The APA has a business to run, and so do these bars and pool halls. And if they don't treat their patrons right, people will go elsewhere. So you may consider my comment being, "suck it up," but that's not my point. "Tough it out," may be better. :) For real though, dude, nobody is saying you are wrong. I'm not trying to make myself an example of the right way to do things, but for the record, I know for a fact that Akrey's is missing the 200 bucks every Monday night that they were getting in booze tabs between the two teams that were there. Sometimes more. Hell, sometimes I have a 200 dollar tab myself!!!
All kidding aside, your opinion is respected. Just remember that the situation you are in is temporary. Greener pastures await.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2011 : 07:15:14 AM
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| Hey Thorston.. thanks for the reply... greener pastures are on the horizon.... and I am not really blaming phil and taz for anything except possibly not being able to be flexible with their "policy" ,,,,and we are going to "tough it out" cause our team loves to play pool... have a good weekend... |
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 08:50:47 AM
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by movistar[/i]
I really expected a little more player friendly cooperation to relieve our problem... IN MY OLD AGE, I SEEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE OUTSPOKEN than my captain... he did tell me what you told him, but I really didn't understand what the "Policy " was and felt like anything can be done if people try ! I don't find the "policy" in the rule book, could you please post it here? is this "policy" an APA rule or just SouthCoast ?
Team Manual, page 30, near the top. Being ABLE to READ might be useful.
Phil
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2011 : 11:16:20 AM
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| thank you for the information .....attacking me personally , insinuating that I do not know how to read is "out of line"... |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2011 : 12:28:22 PM
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I read the manual... page 30
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#21. Teams may not change Home Locations during a session unless.
1) the Location closes
2) the Location Request it
3) the League Operator approves it.
our situation falls under #3. we made a request WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED, but the LO would NOT approve it , thus refusing our request.
NO attacks were made during this post.. only the TRUTH was stated. thank you
have a great weekend |
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bikercowboy
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 1:22:17 PM
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What makes your situation unique? From what I have read the problem has been ongoing. You were given the same answer as any other team would get. I actually point out that my team got the same answer. Phil and Taz should give your team special treatment? Why?
Isn't the object to make the object ball? But yes you are right the leave would be awesome if it was your shot. |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2011 : 2:11:11 PM
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mr bikercowboy... I really don't think that if "given special treatment" as you put it, would cause the entire league to make a mass transfer mid season to another location. we made a legitimate request and were turned down. as for your team wanting to move.. I really don't care.. I hope you are able to move because... your moving won't affect me. as our moving wouldn't affect you.
our "unique situation" as you put it.... is that , for a LONG time we have complained about the NOISE (music) level in the establishment and nothing has been done, as if they don't care. when it becomes a HEALTH issue (loss of hearing) I am NOT saying this lightly.... I consider that a problem... not to mention the OTHER problems that are not mentioned here.
like you read in my other post, according to the wording of the rule #21 the LO could make the approval, IF they wanted to.
AS for Phil and Taz giving us "special treatment" , I wouldn't consider it "special treatment" because it is their JOB to work with their teams, and try and make everybody happy.
I know they have a huge job running the league, but, there are times when common sense should prevail..... have a good day... thank you for your reply
nothing personal was written in this post....
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 2:53:50 PM
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[i]Originally posted by movistar[/i]
[br]thank you for the information .....attacking me personally , insinuating that I do not know how to read is "out of line"...
Oh, golly, gee whiz, I didn't say YOU don't know how to read. Certainly you can read, and certainly you would agree with me that being able to read can be useful. So, you have a problem with me speaking THE TRUTH?
Phil
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 4:05:32 PM
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Here goes nothing........
It has come to my attention that however so mild that it may be this is a APA message board.
I feel that the opinions of the players who post here weather good or bad, are strongly criticized.
Movistar...first I don't know u so with that being said it hard to interpret "Attitude" when u post so i have been on both sides of the WRATH of the LO. It can feel intimidating with everyone kissing their ass or not arguing to your side... there is only one one true statement with BLOGS and Messageboards you can state your free opinion no matter what, as long as u don't attack a person directly.
Now with that being said .....I don't know your situation with the whole I wanna move thing......But according to the way I Read it (And I can Read...lol) your correct the LO could of over ruled and changed things. Whats evolved in that once again I don't know so maybe they way that discussion against the request of moving your host location. Maybe not .....
13 years in the APA under Taz and Phil, I consider them well above avg business owners in the successful creation of the SouthCoast APA. If you have ever played outside SC APA you might understand that we get better then most ( For the rest of you LO out there I aint bagging on you).......
My Opinions of Phil Personally he has poor taste in Football teams lol....jk Phil GO BRONCOS!
Moviestar weather we like the way the run it or not kinda sucks because no matter what happens there will always be a "Decision" we don't like. You cant please all the people all the time.
If there was a alternative that your looking for try taking off from pool take a step back see if it is really as important as u think. Put together a few new options on how you suggest a busniess should be run and submit them to Phil personally ...
trust me when I saw i have been on the bad end of some discussions with them.....but business is business....try not to take it personally....
Now with that being said..............
Thorsten - Very well put agreed with 95% of your post so the 5% ok
Bikercowboy - wow dude seriously all you go is through GAS on the fire.... but thats my opinion. nothing personal...
Phil - 50% good 50% bad... i can see where moviestar took it personal about the reading thing..i would of too.... u didn't specially say him but the way it read was pretty f@#ked up but after u make your point in a later post i see what u were saying
And now for my closing thought i will refer to my faveriote quote of all time
Getttttttterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Donee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lmao
Smile people be happy we have a place to bitch and gripe ....... even if you don't like the answers don't bitch!!! lol Phil please create a new blog form "BITCH AND GRIPE ALL U WANT HERE!!!" this way we can say we have a place to gripe LOL
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2011 : 7:06:22 PM
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I ALMOST agree with Derrick... but he got the football team part wrong ;-)
Seriously, we don't need anyone kissing up on this message board. What we DO need is people to be respectful. I posted the "able to read" comment for the sole purpose of demonstrating that a person's words and a person's agenda can be two different things entirely.
Gary's agenda in this thread is to try to use a public forum to get his way, and the tone of his initial post was quite disrespectful, painting us as ogres who REFUSED to do something so obviously SIMPLE, with nary a reason. In that regard he is out of line. Others have done that before, and met with similar results. To borrow his words, a SIMPLE phone call would have gotten his question answered, if that's what he really wanted.
Here are a few things that haven't been mentioned about this topic. First, this isn't the first team that has asked to change locations this session. There have been at least five prior. Heck, this isn't even the first team in THAT DIVISION that has asked. Suppose we were to let them move, what do we say to the other team who asked weeks ago? Without some extreme special circumstances, the answer is always no.
The location in question has lost several teams over the past couple of sessions. Those teams ALL moved at the beginning of a new session. Gary's team chose to stay there this session when other teams in THAT DIVISION were going elsewhere.
Not one person made a single complaint about that location this session, until Gary's captain called and asked to move. Gary's team is not the only team hosted by that location. There are three others, two of which play in THAT DIVISION. Not one complaint.
Gary keeps mentioning that it is our job to make the teams happy. We learned long ago that every time we make a call we make somebody happy and somebody else unhappy. In this case, the unhappy party would be a location and the people who work there who have no chance to replace the enormous amount of business they lose because WE (not the team, the league) took a team from them mid-session. They don't consider what they might have been able to do to keep the team, they blame the league. We try to do what's best for the league, and alienating host locations is not good for the league at all.
Phil
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