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Torsten
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 Posted - 10/10/2006 : 2:48:40 PM
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One of my teammates asked me a question that I was unable to find the answer to in the rule book. Is a player allowed to defer the break? I don't mean conceding the lag, but after winning a frame, can that player have his or her opponent break?
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trhxke
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 3:56:24 PM
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Very good question......I would also like to know if you are allowed to conceed the lag or if you win the lag can you then choose to NOT break?
Tom Hardinger
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 9:29:14 PM
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The rule book clearly states that the winner of the lag breaks in the first game. I suggest that if you don't want to break don't try to win the lag.
Phil
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Torsten
USA
401 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2006 : 12:20:39 PM
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I understand the lag rule. THAT one is clearly stated. Let's say for example, I am playing against Tommy. Tommy wins the first frame but is not feeling comfortable with his breaks. Is Tommy allowed to defer the break to me? This has nothing to do with lagging. It's about whether the winner of a frame has the right to defer the break to his opponent.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." |
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Torsten
USA
401 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2006 : 12:55:06 PM
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Please, folks. Does somebody have an answer to this question. After winning a frame, can a player defer the break to his opponent?
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." |
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jackmurray
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 2:14:28 PM
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Why not? If your opponent questions that rule then just tell your player to hit the cue-ball into the pocket - I think if I were your opponent I'd mark a defensive shot and a time-out against you though!
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 8:17:13 PM
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Are you really unable/unwilling to look this up? The answer to your question is in the SAME SENTENCE in the manual. The third sentence of rule number one in 8-Ball:
"The winner of the lag breaks in the first game and from that point on the winner of each game breaks in the next game."
It doesn't say the winner of each game has the choice of breaking or not in the next game. Of course, someone is bound to say "why can't you just pick up the cue ball and hand it to your opponent, like any other shot?" Well, since the rack hasn't been struck a foul cannot occur, therefore handing the cue ball to your opponent is not an option. Neither is shooting the cue ball into a pocket, as once again the rack must be struck before a foul can occur.
I suppose you could stand there and repeatedly hit the third ball back until you scratch, then your opponent would break. But what if your opponent doesn't want to break either? This could make for a loooooooooooooooong night. Don't do it.
Phil
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2006 : 12:13:40 PM
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I understand. I wasn't trying to be a pain in the butt. Nor was I looking for a way to skirt the rules. I did read the rule. We often talk about the spirit of the game. If a player makes intentionally sinks the 8 ball in the obvious pocket but has forgotten to mark it, accept that it was the intended shot and legally pocketed rather than bust out the, "You forgot to mark it! You lose! MUHAHAHAHA!!!!  " thing.
Also, deferring the break is probably not something brought up every day and therefore might not even covered in the rule book. It also does not say "winner of each frame must break the following frame" so it is conceivable that deferring is an option.
Personally, I feel breaking is an advantage and would NEVER defer my break. I just happen to have a teammate who is not comfortable breaking. If there was the option to defer, or to offer the break to your opponent if they share my opinion that breaking is an advantage, that in the spirit of the game it is feasible. I think it is perfectly reasonable to say, "Okay, Player A has won the frame and therefore the responsibility to break is with him/her. However, if Player A would prefer not to break, and Player B (player A's opponent)
doesn't mind breaking or prefers breaking, then it's not against the rules. If player B does not want to break, the responsibility remains with Player A."
But hey, I don't make the rules. I'll inform my teammate that he must break after winning a frame or the lag.
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ginger
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 6:09:08 PM
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My thoughts:
Just put some "behind" into it and bust the darn balls 
** next thought scheduled for 2/11/07 **
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Keith
USA
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Posted - 12/23/2006 : 02:24:03 AM
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Hi
On one of the teams I played on a player did defer the break due to injury which did not yet heal. Most people will say that the person should not have played, but the jarring affect of the break was a bit mutch that week and they had not played i a while. We marked it as an inning as they conceded the lag and shot second. The other team saw nothing wrong with this and admired his love for the game. My own breaks are catching up to me as you can see me popping my sholder all night long as I did right now. I would say that for whatever reason a player wants to defer the break let them. They are giving up an advantage for whatever reason they may have. |
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the break
