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MNGopher
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 Posted - 02/20/2007 : 11:40:25 AM
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Can someone help me with this...? What is the "the push rule"? Is there a "push rule"?
Not trying to be pushy 
Just confused as usual.
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 2:17:29 PM
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Can someone help me with this...? What is the "the push rule"? Is there a "push rule"? Not trying to be pushy. Just confused as usual.
There is no "push rule" in APA league play. If you have heard otherwise, I'll need you to elaborate in order to clear any confusion you may have on this subject.
The push-out & push shot noted above by calcwby4u are listed in the APA Team Manual under "Definitions". These are NOT RULES. Also in Calcwby4u's post, the paragraph that reads...In 9Ball after the break, if the breaker has made a ball but does not have a shot at the next ball he/she can execute a Push-Out. The same is true for the incoming player if no ball was made on the break. does not apply to APA league play, as push-outs are not allowed.
The APA rules for all handicapped competition do not allow push-outs because they give the more highly skilled player a big advantage, for obvious reasons.
To make it clear, 1) Push Shots will not be called; 2) Push-outs are not allowed.
(Thanks Jack) |
Edited by - Taz on 02/20/2007 3:04:23 PM |
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MNGopher
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2007 : 3:02:20 PM
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I had a feeling I shouldn't have dropped this post, but it is something that I can't seem to get a straight answer on. Not looking for controversy - it's just a concept no one seems to able to answer.
Maybe b/c it doesn't exist.
I'm not all that sure either as to what "push shot" means. I only have my booklet with me today, so I do not have the opportunity to peruse the official rule book right now. I'm talking 8-ball here - that is all I play.
I think I've heard it uttered most when there is a danger of a double hit - enough said on that - we all know what that foul is. It usually occurs when the white ball & object ball are very very close together - but not frozen. An opposing player or coach will bring up that it is impossible to hit the cue ball toward the object ball without double hit. If the balls are frozen, we have always adopted the "you must shoot away from the frozen ball" concept & that seems to work fine.
Like I said in my original post, just CURIOUS about that phrase & if there is a "push rule" or "push shot" in the "real world".
For the record, my team has found that any situation (no matter what it may be)is best handled before a shot is taken. Meaning, we will call the opposing captain over to get his/her opinion before the shot it taken. It allows us to look up a rule or call before the point of no return has been reached.
I have only heard "push shot" from players who have been in the league a looong time, usually with player numbers that start 04XXX or lower. A certain un-named SL7 once told me that it was impossible to correctly hit a ball if the cue stick does not pass the mid point of the cue ball, so if the object ball was less than a 1/4" from your white ball - no way you can make that shot straight on without a double kiss or "pushing" the cue ball through the shot...so maybe the old timer was funnin' the new guy - who knows? I still don't know what he was talking about...remember I'm the guy who posted "45 degree rule" question. hugs!  |
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trhxke
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 3:43:00 PM
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John,
You will hear all kinds of phrases from the old timers. The old timers you talk to around here both on league and not on league came from many places around the world (not just around the country) and the phrases are often times just slang terms. They may have specific meaning according to the rules and then again they may be very specific to the origin of the individual using that particular term.
As for your not having access to the Team Rule Book .....
Just click this link [url]http://www.southcoastapa.com/documents_and_forms.htm[/url] and you should find just about anything you have a question on.
Then next time, you can be one of the "OLD TIMERS"!
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
Your Internet Source for pool cues, darts and various colletibles. |
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 4:18:53 PM
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Mr. Gopher.
If the white ball and object ball are frozen, you DON'T have to shoot away from it. If you are doing that simply to avoid controversy, you're making a mistake. Granted, some people can get cantankerous about the "rules." I put that in quotes because what people perceive to be the rules and what they in actuality are can be two very different things. When the white and object balls are in fact frozen to one another, it is actually less likely you will "double hit foul" than if they were a centimeter apart. Speaking of double hits, I nominate myself for the lamest double hit foul in apa history. The other night, I follow through on a shot ((I hit a bit of bottom left to avoid a potential scratch)) for once using decent form. While admiring the majesty of my awesome shot, I failed to get my cue out of the way in a timely fashion ((seriously, I had about 4 seconds to get it out of the way, an eternity in pool time)) and the white ball cruised off the rail right back into my cue. Sadly, my entire team screaming GET YOUR @#$%ING CUE OUT OF THE WAY didn't register as my object ball dropped into the pocket with an authoritative <i>kerplunk</i>. Needless to say, I was quite sheepish afterward...
"The downside of being better than everyone is that people tend to assume you're pretentious." |
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Taz
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2007 : 06:44:05 AM
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Torsten is correct. If the cue ball and object ball are frozen, there is no double hit (unless you pull a Torsten and draw back into your cue stick) but rather a push shot. Again, push shots are not called in APA league play.
Many players use the terms incorrectly. Often times a non-shooting player will attempt to call a "push shot" foul on a double hit. Any time you believe there is a potential for a double hit (most are pretty obvious), you should request a mutually agreed upon third party (agreed upon by both shooters) to watch the shot. A double hit foul can only be called by an agreed upon third party. If a third party was not asked to watch the shot, a double hit foul cannot be called, unless done so by the shooter him/herself. |
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MNGopher
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2007 : 12:43:34 PM
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Thank you all! It was just one of those things I knew you would help with.
I should always preface my posts with the fact that 99.999% of the situations I bring up do not involve bad behavior by my teammates or opponents. APA play does have it's share of opinionated players for sure - good natured - yet opinions galore.
Danke
And for everyone who helped with my cue search - I have settled on a Lucasi - it played the best during my "test drive" at Quintessentials.
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2007 : 2:21:24 PM
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You'll like your Lucasi. It's definitely a friendly cue to hit with. Speaking of which, I played like gangbusters with a beer-stained and warped house cue at my local bar the other night! In a land of the blind, a one-eyed man is king, I guess.
"The downside of being better than everyone is that people tend to assume you're pretentious." |
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What is this phrase I hear?
