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| BigRigTom |
Posted - 07/14/2009 : 08:10:24 AM
When someone is breaking and accidently bumps the cue ball in that last practice stroke then immediately makes the final break stroke hitting the moving cue ball into the rack...is that acceptible or is there even a rule about the event?
What if the shooter appears to have done this intentionally?
What if the shooter hits that moving cue ball into the rack and make the 8 on the break...does this raise questions?
BigRigTom
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| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 11:39:13 AM
I was simply trying to figure out who you are. I don't know where the animosity you have towards me is coming from, or why you are making the comments you are. |
| Keith |
Posted - 11/13/2009 : 2:16:36 PM
Been busy with school and why should you care. I have my opinion and that is my opinion. People are allowed to form those you know. Are you planning to show up and start a fight or try to kick my butt at pool?
Insert inspirational sentence here. |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 08:43:10 AM
Keith,
Were did you go? |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 08:38:06 AM
Hey Keith
Who is your last post directed to?
What division are you in and team do you play on? |
| iampato |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 4:08:06 PM
You got me Kerry. I had a feeling. It was a busy day at the store so I missed a few things.
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
| movistar |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 5:03:38 PM
sure glad nobody is mad at me..... hummmm ...... or are they ? |
| Keith |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:55:29 PM
It didn't read like a funny joke. It even got Phil to post. If he didn't then my last post would have been very personal and not in a good way. Thank you Phil for posting. I still think that you were attacking Bernardo and no longer respect anything about you. You probably don't remember me and couldn't care less about what I think of you. Even so it is barely above the person who said that he has been cheating. |
| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:18:31 AM
HEY BERNARDO,
I was just giving you a hard time. I get it all. |
| iampato |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 6:23:14 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Moose Dragon[/i]
[br]Mr. Iampato
I am sorry I am confused about a few things.
Who's hair am I supposed to hold to get that grasp?
Blanket? there are no blankets in pool!!
It is good you have chosen to play your game with your team, otherwise you would be alone right?
You must not have "understood the rules" when you played on my team, because I didn't understand anything you said.
"I am not always right, I have been proven wrong several times." Shouldn't this read: I am not always wrong I have proven myself right several times?
What are the things that are more important than calling a foul on a break?
If you take that person outside what is it you are going to be doing?
Now Mr. Iampato don't get mad, I am just people or friend telling you different.
Not Mad... first of all do you remember "Who" I would take outside? I would take "the person who would call a third party" to watch a BREAK! Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Can you see the humor in it now? Who would even talk about calling a thrid party to watch a break?
Things that are more important that calling a foul... Having a Job. Having a place to live. Having fun. Laughing with friends. Playing pool, Playing APA. Did you really need me to answer that question?
As I am told by the people I speak to "you are right Bernardo" more often then they say I am wrong. I feel I spoke correctly. (That is a joke people. True. but a joke)
You mean you didn't understand me, when we were on the team that went to Nationals? It is good I understood you. I am sorry, That was the height of my depression. or the Bottom, depending how you look at it. so I can see I may have been a little hard to understand... I am much better now, my Dr. says so.
The blanket and Grasp thing, I can't help you to understand. either you get it or you don't.
All in jest Kerry. I hope you know I try to get peoples attention first, laugh second. or vice versa. The questions are valid all are. it is when the answers are "not good enough" when I try to "lighten" the mood. and if that means I have to be a Jerk so everyone gets mad and angry at me. I can handle it. The rules are what they are. We have to deal with rules everywhere, Learn to Accept them. that is all I am saying. Accept the fact, Phil and Taz have provided us with an Exceptional well run league for us to spend Less then $10 to enjoy. Accept the fact people try all kinds of things during league. from marking the table, to not calling fouls. do down right Cheating. that is on them.
OK too long. Have fun everyone. enjoy the full moon tonight.(|)
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
| Keith |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 5:02:07 PM
Wow guys I can't imagine how you would react to these actions happening at nationals. If you see a player struggling with the break help them if you can. It does not matter if they are on your team or the one you are facing. This league is about having fun. If someone starts crap by their actions or talking smack. Beat them on the table and smile on the inside. Just remember how you would feel if someone made a bs call on you. Ask yourself if it is worth doing that to someone else. |
| Phil |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 12:38:57 PM
Before everyone gets a little too chippy, let me clear up one thing. Yes Movistar, the break is a shot. However, there is a good reason we don't call a foul if you double-hit on the break.
How many times do you see someone wind up on the break, only to miscue and have the cue ball limp down the table at snail's pace? Some people do it a lot. If we call a foul for hitting the cue ball twice, these people would have no choice but to allow the cue ball to complete its ever-so-slow trek off a rail or two and into the rack, driving nothing anywhere. Now the person racking has to go back to the table and re-rack the balls. After a few of these, it becomes annoying, not to mention the time that's wasted.
Instead, we allow the breaker to stop the cue ball before it disturbs the rack, saving time and aggravation. To allow this, we instituted a rule that says a foul cannot occur until the rack is struck. This rule obviously applies to the double-clutch as well, since distinguishing between the two would require more complication in the rule book and would result in arguments over what was a double-clutch and what was not.
The other part of your argument, breaking beyond the head string, can be addressed by the current rules. If you observe a double-clutch break and the cue ball is beyond the head string on the second hit, simply point out that the break did not qualify as legal. The game should be reracked and the same player would break again, assuming no foul occurred after the cue ball struck the rack.
Phil
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| Moose Dragon |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 08:45:31 AM
Mr. Iampato
I am sorry I am confused about a few things.
Who's hair am I supposed to hold to get that grasp?
Blanket? there are no blankets in pool!!
It is good you have chosen to play your game with your team, otherwise you would be alone right?
You must not have "understood the rules" when you played on my team, because I didn't understand anything you said.
"I am not always right, I have been proven wrong several times." Shouldn't this read: I am not always wrong I have proven myself right several times?
What are the things that are more important than calling a foul on a break?
If you take that person outside what is it you are going to be doing?
Now Mr. Iampato don't get mad, I am just people or friend telling you different. |
| iampato |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 09:22:19 AM
Mr. Moviestar, I now see you do not wish to have other people make sense to you... You wish for other people to see you are right. so much so, you have to explain to me again a rule you have little grasp of understanding.
To get a grasp you must hold more than one hair.
there are rules thru-out the rule book that give a "Blanket" ruling and there are others that "pin point." Sorry you are trying to pin point on a blanket.
i have choosen to play my game, with my team, with-in the confines of the rulebook. The rulebook is your friend. it is not the enemy. It is when I understood the rules that others understood me.
I am not always right, I have been proven wrong several times, What makes the difference is that I listen to the people and friends telling me different. if you don't beleive me, go see my post "Appology"
Swallow your pride and move on. there are more important things out there then calling a foul on a break.
There are my $.02.
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
| movistar |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 09:05:57 AM
mr iampato... a third party is usually called to watch when there is a possibility of a CLOSE call when two or more balls are close together. MANY times fouls are called by players who are seated but have a very good view of the table and can see the shot was an obvious foul without standing over the table to watch. It is up to the shooter to be "honest" about their shot and admit to a foul.
therefor a third party is NOT needed on the break.... the cueball doesn't have to bounce back and hit the cuetip twice to be a double hit.... if you hit the cue ball twice on the same shot.."THAT is the double hit. thanks for your input and opinion..have a great day and shoot well.
if all the objections to having double hitting the cueball on the break called a foul are considered valid ... than think about this.
A legal break according to the apa rules require you to 1. pocket a ball, 2. drive 4 or more balls to a rail, and 3. break from behind the LINE. all of this to be considered a LEGAL break. If you double hit and end up breaking from beyond the line, and make 3 balls and possibly the 8 ball, for a win... the balls should be re racked again and re broken, but according to the controversial rules it is NOT a foul but it should be considered an illegal break and a do over! most teams just KEEP ON SHOOTING !
ps... if you take somebody outside that calls a third party to watch a break... IS THAT A TIMEOUT ???? |
| iampato |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 03:55:42 AM
there is one rule that makes this whole conversation null and void. Shooters call. unless there is a third party watching the shot, it is the shooters call if it was a foul.
I will take the person outside that calls a third party to watch a break.
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
