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stevelobdell
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 Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:27:00 AM
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When breaking a fresh rack, as long as the cue ball does not come in contact with the rack it's not a foul and I would get to "shoot/break" again.
So what about Ball In Hand? Let's say my opponent leaves me with BIH and I shoot and for some strange reason I miss all the object balls is this a foul? Or since the cue ball never came in contact with an object ball I can reshoot.
What about if I have BIH and I position my cue ball and when shooting I miscue and barely tap the cue ball and it moves an inch, is this a foul?
Because on BIH, before I take my shot, I'm allowed to move the cue ball all over the place to get lined up and often we do this with our cue, so doesn't seem much difference if I move my cue ball into position with my cue before my shot vs attempting my shot and touching the cue ball but not hitting any object balls.
Does the answer change if I miss my object balls but hit a rail before I'm able to stop the cue ball? |
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iampato
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:41:37 AM
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It is a foul on all counts.
Cue ball always live when on the table. Only major exception, adjusting the cue ball with the stick. Allowed, but bee careful.
If you are shooting a rifle, and pull the trigger, the gun fires, and you missed your target... did you take a shot? Same on the pool table. If you intend to shoot, and the cue ball does not hit your object ball(s) and/or a ball does not hit a rail, that is a foul.
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:42:33 AM
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As soon as you contact the cue ball with a forward stroking motion you have started that shot. In other words Yes hitting the cue ball and missing everything is a foul. Miscueing and moving the cue ball a few inches is a foul, unless you happen to hit one of your balls and something hits a rail. If you bump the cue ball during your practice stroke, this is a foul. Yes you get to move the cue ball where ever you want as many times as you want when you have ball in hand. Even moving it with your cue is acceptable. However, once you start using a stroking motion you are at the very least simulating a shot.
On a second note, you should never grab the cue ball when it is rolling. Even if you have fouled already. You need to let the cue ball continue on its path and wait until it stops to pick it up.
Bernardo,
If your opponent shoots a shot and you shoot him with your rifle did your opponents shot happen? What if you shoot and miss with no one around to see it, did that shot happen? |
Edited by - Moose Dragon on 07/01/2010 07:45:01 AM |
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iampato
USA
71 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2010 : 07:49:59 AM
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Go first of all. I don't miss with a rifle as much as I do with a pool cue. So your question is hypothetical.
But if I did miss, yes it would still be a shot, if no one heard it. Also, no one would find out about it, cuz I aint telling!
When all else fails... Get your butt up, your chin will follow. |
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stevelobdell
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:46:07 AM
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But it's not a Foul during the Break, so why is it a foul during BIH?
Or is it because once a Rack is Broken the Game is in progress and "misses" are fouls during the game vs Pre-Rack-Break, Game hasn't started so no foul. |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 11:51:59 AM
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| I think you answered your own question, and correctly too. |
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TracyW3
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 11:34:45 AM
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Hi Steve,
You are correct in your last statement; the rule is 'THE RACK MUST BE STRUCK BEFORE A FOUL CAN OCCUR' (pg.44 of the team manual, caps and everything). After that the cue ball is always live. In a BIH situation the ball can be moved even with your cue, but like Bernardo/MooseDragon indicated once you use a stroking motion or address the ball simulating the intent to strike it, you must make a legal hit on an acceptable object ball and the a ball must be driven to a rail or it's considered a foul. Be sure to make it very obvious that you are intending to move the cue ball and not attempting to strike it when you are moving it with your cue stick, some teams/players may try and call a foul. Lastly, if you cause a foul do not stop or pick up the cue ball until it has come to a complete stop. I don’t know what the penalty is for that since the other player already gets BIH...Hmmm??
I hope that answered your question.
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rhaydt
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 11:08:40 AM
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There can be a penalty for intentionally stopping the cue ball. In 8-ball if you alter the course of either the cue ball or 8-ball in a game losing situation you forfeit the game. And I have seen this happen when a player grabbed the cue ball that was headed directly towards the 8-ball that was sitting in front of a pocket.
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Is This A Foul?
