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shodbyed
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 Posted - 10/18/2011 : 5:32:18 PM
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Now that my ears have had a chance to heal a bit, I must bring to the attention of those who have not yet played there that the arena on wednesday nights now puts on an open mic night. now i know every venue has its share of loud music and other such distractions, however the sound level here takes the cake. I could, however, over look the sheer volume if it weren't for how horrible, awful music that these bands put out. the screaming and howling growling is so bad i can't really begin to describe it. I dont understand why it is necessary to have music so loud that I have to yell with my mouth mere inches from whoever's ear in order to make them hear me. Now mind you there are breaks from this racket when the so called comics come out and try out their unfunny, vile cursing (dare i call them) jokes. I am no prude as anyone that knows me at all knows, but I found the comics totally inappropriate and offensive.
I must thank the opposing team (who agreed with our team) for agreeing to move our match to a different venue. Please dont ask me to go back there. I am thankful that I dont have any scheduled matches there. I do, however, am fearful that playoffs (if we make the cut) will end up there. I really dont think I could take it.
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Casey
USA
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Posted - 10/18/2011 : 8:22:16 PM
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I too must admit that there were no redeeming anything connected with last Wed. night at the Arena. We were on an upper table and not directly infringement of the noise. We, along with our opponents, would rather not go on Wed. nights. I only wish we had followed Ed and moved to another location. Bruce and Eddie H. said it has been getting worst.
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2011 : 11:02:16 PM
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That place is a disaster on Wednesdays. Just... terrible
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2011 : 6:24:37 PM
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I had the SAME situation last season with Pat's Cocktails in the Valley..noise was devastating to hearing and and the Bar would not
co operate... my team wanted to move but was told that it is against the bylaws...what ever that is... essentially that is exactly what your HOST team did.. they moved their location to another venue...guess things are different with different teams.. just sayin
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2011 : 11:02:16 PM
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[i]Originally posted by movistar[/i]
[br]I had the SAME situation last season with Pat's Cocktails in the Valley..noise was devastating to hearing and and the Bar would not
co operate... my team wanted to move but was told that it is against the bylaws...what ever that is... essentially that is exactly what your HOST team did.. they moved their location to another venue...guess things are different with different teams.. just sayin
Things usually are. Circumstances are hardly ever identical in similar situations. Unless you know specifically what the differences are, the two situations may seem the same, so it's pretty easy to make the mistake of insinuating uneven application of the rules, especially when you (by your own admission) don't even know what the rules are or where to find them...
Phil
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movistar
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Posted - 11/08/2011 : 2:39:02 PM
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disagreeing with the rules (or bylaws) does NOT mean that a person doesn't know where they are or what they are... up periscope.. attack attack.....
maybe in the case of the Arena (and other establishments) , someone other than the teams who play there , need to step in and warn the establishment that they are in jeopardy of losing their "cash cow" if they don't make some ajustments...anyone who takes pool seriously knows that NOISE is not a good environment for playing pool which is a mind focusing game (for serious players)...I know a lot of players who have the same feelings.. I just happen to be one who SPEAKS OUT ! |
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2011 : 4:02:44 PM
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[i]Originally posted by movistar[/i]
[br]disagreeing with the rules (or bylaws) does NOT mean that a person doesn't know where they are or what they are... up periscope.. attack attack.....
No, but saying "whatever that is" in reference to the bylaws usually does. Unless you were just trying to be funny, in which case you failed miserably. I find nothing funny about your statements.
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maybe in the case of the Arena (and other establishments) , someone other than the teams who play there , need to step in and warn the establishment that they are in jeopardy of losing their "cash cow" if they don't make some ajustments...anyone who takes pool seriously knows that NOISE is not a good environment for playing pool which is a mind focusing game (for serious players)...I know a lot of players who have the same feelings.. I just happen to be one who SPEAKS OUT !
Maybe someone already has. Maybe they make more money at the bar from open mic than they do from SERIOUS pool players, who drink water and coke all night and bring outside food into a location with a full kitchen. Maybe the location doesn't think the pool players are much of a "cash cow", and is trying to find a better revenue source.
Maybe instead of blaming the location and acting like they owe you something (they do not), you should ask yourself why a location doesn't mind losing YOUR business, and do something about THAT.
Phil
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shodbyed
51 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 1:09:11 PM
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Well Phil if you are talking about the arena, let me tell you this. I personally dont drink much alcohol. Never really did. However, I don't mind spending some money for food. I do, however, refuse to pay that much money for the lousy food they put out or the time it takes them to do so. I've eaten there more times than I would going to a restaurant I didn't enjoy due to necessity and have been disappointed every time. I eat at borderline just about every time im there, they however somehow really DON'T need our business because some how THEY are busy every night without an open mic night. Oh and there you don't have to wait 20 mins at the bar and an hour for food even though they are busier! Phil that place is empty for a reason and its no fault of ours. If it is the other place u r talking about I KNOW if the place is failing to stay busy it is because they do not listen to their patrons no matter why they are there! Have a look at kitchen nightmares or bar rescue if you don't believe me.
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2011 : 3:12:08 PM
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I'm not necessarily talking about either location or you specifically, Ed. I'm giving examples of some of the things I hear when I talk to location owners & managers. As you are probably aware, it only takes one or two occurrences for the location to generalize the behavior to all of the APA teams.
Personally, I've never had a problem with the food at the Arena, quality or speed of service. It may be different on week nights, I don't know, but I like a lot of the things on their menu. That aside, even if a person doesn't like the food, the prices, or the speed of service, bringing in outside food is not cool. I have SEEN that at the Arena.
Also, I think you might be putting too much stock in what you see on TV. Those shows are known to use creative license to make things more interesting. I personally know bar owners who are furious with them, as they can do more damage than good.
Phil
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 4:46:31 PM
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my statements may not always be funny but I ALWAYS speak the TRUTH ! and everybody is entitled to their opinion
lol,lol,lol |
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 10:16:20 PM
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So you're saying you really don't know what the bylaws are? Then why get so defensive?
Phil
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 3:27:19 PM
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| I fully understand what bylaws are but I also know that anything can be changed if people work together especially if some things which are "laws" really defy common sense. disagreeing with a rule doesn't mean that I don't understand them it just means that I will lobby to change them if i feel they are outdated or not in the best interest of pool and it will help pool players in general |
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 8:59:42 PM
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Ok, now that we've cleared up the fact that you lied twice in this thread, back to the topic at hand. What aspects of the current rule do you think need to be changed?
Phil
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shodbyed
51 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 8:03:36 PM
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Phil, I agree it would not be right to bring outside food into one of the establishments. I have never done that. But if you ask why they might not get my money I refer to my previous statement. Perhaps they cook and serve differently for you, being an important person to their business, than they do me or someone else, being just another apa member. I have stood at the bar on wednesday nights for 10 minutes without ever seeing the bartender then been ignored for another 5 when he returned. As for the TV shows, while they may take some "creative licence" for entertainment value, the overall theme seems to be pretty standard and full of common sense. Keep your customers happy. And show them SOME respect. I guess I will have to just stop being a customer of businesses that refuse to even try to keep me coming back.
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 12:17:30 AM
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| hey Shodbyed.... hang in there.... at least you havn't been called a liar ... congratulations... |
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 08:08:47 AM
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Ed, the cooks in the kitchen don't know who ordered the food. My order gets punched in at the bar just like yours, so I highly doubt there's any special preparation going on. Do you think there's a special "cook this good" button? It's simply a matter of personal taste - I like the food, you don't. That's fine, but my point was that the location is in the business of selling food and beverage, and if they aren't selling that to one crowd they could do a couple of things. They could change their menu or their prices as you suggest, or they could try to cater to a different crowd that doesn't take issue with the food or the prices. Keep in mind that their kitchen also serves the hotel restaurant(s) and room service, so bar patrons are probably third in the pecking order already.
On the good news front, the Arena is moving the open mic show to Thursdays starting in January. They are doing this specifically to address the issue with the Wednesday APA teams. The only reason they don't do it right away is that there are NFL games on Thursday nights for the rest of the year. This will reduce the problem, but not eliminate it, as there is one Arena team on Thursday.
One more note on this topic - I was at the Arena a couple of weeks ago on Wednesday night. I noticed that it was quite loud by the pool tables where the league matches were being played. I also noticed that it wasn't nearly as loud on the other side of the bar, where there are two perfectly good pool tables. When I mentioned that fact to one of the team captains, his reply was "Yeah, but they're not DIAMOND tables." Maybe teams that play at the Arena should "lower their standards" a little bit and play on the Valleys in the back before they complain about the volume in the front.
Phil
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playing at the arena on wed night
