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grapevine
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 Posted - 07/29/2009 : 09:25:52 AM
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Last night team "A" and team "B" were to play each other....so far so good start time 7:oo...team "B" shows up a little late...team "A" goes along and waits for "B". They ( team "B" ) show up and match begins....great....Team "A" has at least 5 players in house and team "B" has four. With four players you would think there would be enough time to get a last player to the house to complete their roster...First match-up went well now on to the second...it was a four four race and team "B" was up 3 to 1 and about to break for rack 5....the balls are racked but team "B" breaker is nowhere in sight....seems he is outside having a smoke.....team "A" found team "B"s player and asked hin to start his match. He then informed team "B"s captain that his two other players,(remember team "B" started with four players){that had not played yet} had decieded to leave the house to move a piece of furniture for one of the players girlfriends and they were running a little late getting back to the house, so he decieded to smoke to buy some time as the two players that were gone were only ten minutes away. after smoking, team "B" broke and the match continued team "B"s player was down to his last ball befor the eight and intentionally started missing his last ball to buy some more time (team "B"s player admitted this fact) after missing twice the arraingement of the ball position left by team "A"s players miss forced team "B"s player to finish the game and thus winning the match. This last game took about 15 minutes not including the smoke break however long that took !!!
Team "A" puts up their player for the next match and guess what? [ no player for team "B"? ] you guessed it.. team "B"s players who decieded to go move furniture have not yet arrived to play their match.... they told their own player that they were only ten minutes away it has now been over twenty minutes since then,,,,Team "A" calls for a forfeit and team "B" has no choise but to forfeit its matches. After another ten minutes have gone by, team "B"s players (the two who left) show up and of course are not happy about the forfeits and raise a stink now I ask you all out there "when is when enough?" sure team "A" could have waited,they waited at the start of the match,( remember team "B" was late getting started also), but for how long..theres only so many smokes in a pack. Should team "B" put up with this? I would not!! would you?
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movistar
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 7:07:47 PM
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I have also found that there is a problem in the league with smokers causing a delay in playing.... maybe there should be a clock used in putting players up, just like there is a shot clock in taking a shot.
as soon as a match is over, each team has one minute to put up a player and the next match begins while all the team mates go outside and kill themselves (smoking)...
tired of playing matches til midnight or later because of players having to drag out the match cause of smoking or having to "go get a drink"?
let's put a stop to the smoking pow wow to see who plays next... that should already be on the mind of the captain as soon as he begins the FIRST match...
5 or ten minutes between matches is ridiculous.... why ?????
maybe a LOSS of a game for every 5 minute delay would make players wait till AFTER they play to take their smoke.. NOT before... and I have seen players go outside DURING their match to grab a DRAG!!!
food for thought.... |
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2009 : 9:01:49 PM
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Sorry, but I don't see any (food for thought that is).
The time guidelines are clearly printed on page 3 of the APA Official team Manual. For those who are not famliar with them, they include both a) limit coaching to one minute and b) New Player Section 2 minute limit.
As far as smoking is concern, we cover this at every single captains' meeting and we certainly don't allow "smoke breaks" during any event we run. The rest is up to the players themselves, and the primary responsability falls on each team captain to police their own team. |
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 1:13:59 PM
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Howdy Taz ..
I think that we all (Captains) at least, have or should have read the Team Manual regarding time limits and remember that you do address this issue at every Captains' Meeting, but as Moviestar indicates that there are a few teams that "don't seem to give a damn" about the delay they cause every night that they play.
Although I'm not a Captain, as co-Captain when my Captain is away, I try to follow the guidlines and identify my next player in a timely fashion (before the current match ends or within 2 minutes of it's conclusion). There are at least two teams in the Divisions that I play in, that no matter the circumstances, every player on the team leaves the location for a smoke, decide who to put up next or who they will match up with my put up. It's no use asking the Captain who they are putting up before they leave. They ignore you and do what they are going to do and that means at least 10 minutes between each match, adding up to an additional 40 minutes of playing time.
No matter how much protesting or cajolling we do, these two teams take forever to identify their next players. What do we do? Do we call you? Fill out a Sportsmanship Form? We don't do anything but relent to the realization that we will be playing till after Midnight again this week.
How should we handle this situation in the future?
Thanks for your guidance and I hope that these two teams read this posting. |
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BigRigTom
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 2:01:32 PM
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"Thanks for your guidance and I hope that these two teams read this posting."
I know several teams that need to work on this same issue.
I too welcome the guiding words of Phil and Tax in answer to question:
"What should we do when a team repeatedly ignores the rules about time constraints and putting up players to keep play continuious?"
BigRigTom
http://hardingersystems.com/BAT-Forum to discuss Billiards and Trucking or anything that interest you! |
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 5:19:34 PM
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As being one of the captians of this disscussion, I will say that GRAPEVINE had no right to post this! For I do not even think he was on either team nor did he know all the details!! Next time mind your own business or bring this to me! Don't hide your name! You have something to say? Then say it to my face (Merillee team A Heavens Rebels)
None of you know what happen that night.
So you have something to say Grapevine then next time bring it to me! Don't talk about something that has nothing to do with you!! |
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 5:22:35 PM
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| I will say this that I forgot. Taz does know what went on that night. But the rest do not know what happened! |
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movistar
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 10:36:49 PM
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wow... now the gloves are off.... round two... when the smoke clears.....LET"S GIT IT ON !!!!
I would be willing to bet that "tean A" and "team B" could apply to MANY teams in the southcoast APA>>>
the best defense is a good offense..or is that the other way around?
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badactionpool
USA
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 10:45:24 PM
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this topic is going nowhere we get the point its a fun league no need to get so riled up about it. lets move forward and continue to have fun and play pool.
Matt Munowitch AKA. Mr. Bad Action AKA Capt. Lush |
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2009 : 12:29:19 AM
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| I'm sorry Matt but I have to differ with you. From your response I take it that you have never encountered this situation. For those of us that do, EVERY SEASON, with the same teams/Captains it gets very very frustrating. My teams are all out for a good time and to have fun while they are playing. But when the other team takes the liberties as stated, and more or less telling the other team "to go to hell, we'll take as much time as we want to" to have a cigarette or discuss their next put up and extending the match a minimum of 40 minutes every night they play, you can't just dismiss the aggrevation that every opposing team/Captain has to endure every night with these teams. Now you may want to stay out and drink and not have any issue with it. More power to you. But for those of us that feel that these teams are taking advantage of a situation and nothing seems to be done to rein in the problem. AND IT IS A PROBLEM. I would much rather get home between 11-11:30pm than 12:30 - 1pm, which is the case with these two teams every night. We're just asking for guidance. If your a smoker, do it on your time, not the time of your opponent. Continuous play is the rule. 10 mintute breaks between every match is not continuous play. |
Edited by - Calcwby4u on 07/31/2009 12:30:56 AM |
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 07/31/2009 : 07:55:18 AM
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I have to agree with Matt. Because this happened with a new capt. He did not have an understanding of things. And our team clued them in. My own team member that was new and did not know that there was no cig break. thought there was because the other player was calling his team and smoking. I set my player straight and there player.
But again I will say there was a lot more to this night then what was written. And that is between my team and the team we played. And it had nothing to do with a cig break!!
This matter is over and done with, plus I do not like the fact of someone writting something that had nothing to do with them.
If you don't like what a team is doing then call them on it. That's all there is to it. Other wise if you don't let them know, they will try to get away with anything they want.
Merillee ( Heavens Rebels Captian)
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SFVMark
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2009 : 11:49:44 AM
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I need a cigarette! |
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 10:51:40 AM
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Me too, Mark.
Apart from that, smoking is just one of the things that contributes. Time is what the issue is. Long time outs, taking forever to put up players, smoking, etc. As someone who is a smoker, and played well over 500 matches of apa, I can say with relative certainty I've never kept anyone waiting. Pick and choose your moments. Most of us have to earn a living at a reasonably early hour, and enjoy not having to be still playing at 1am.
Merillee, you're a good captain and my buddy. But you can't condemn grapevine for posting the story. One of the reasons the message board is up here is for people to air their concerns, and subject them to discussion and hopefully resolution. If you feel there are inaccuracies in the story of Grapevine, simply point them out in your rebuttle and let the discussion take its course.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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grapevine
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 12:35:40 PM
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seems there is a typo in my closing ststement it should have read "SHOULD TEAM (( A )), [not team (B)] PUT UP WITH THIS ? I WOULD NOT !! WOULD YOU?
also an appoligy to Merillee if misunderstood...this article was written in support of her decision. As a captain myself I have also been down the road of tough decisions.
I again want to stress the importance of following the general rules of play....
Lets be considerate to everybody in regards to league night, but to leave the building with no guarantees of a return time, is simply not acceptable....
P.S. on another note I wish to remain anonymous just to get a message out there if it needs to be heard ( or read ) as is the case, Without pointing fingers or hurting feelings.. Hope this clears things up a bit. Good luck and great pool! |
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 1:31:11 PM
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Thank you grapvine. There was a misunderstanding because this whole mess was about leaving and coming back late and me following the rules set by APA. I understand about the cigs. But my night was not about that.
I thank you for your support and understanding! |
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 08/01/2009 : 2:28:41 PM
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Torsten, that's fine about discussing topics. But this involved my team and another team. Which I do not think grapevine is on. When someone does not know the whole story and it's not about them. Then they should not post it. It was my right to post it. Because it was about me and my team. A lot of factors where left out on this, and I don't feel right about posting everything over the internet. Because I feel it is like disrespecting the other team when they are not here to also put in there views.
I am being respectful to my team players. I would do the same to any team that I play! No matter what, they get respect and privicy. |
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