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Keith
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 Posted - 08/03/2009 : 2:24:24 PM
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| This is in defense of Matt. I used to be on his team. For your information Calcwby4u we did run into that type of situation. As long as the other team was cool and gave us a heads up we waited (even in playoffs). Hell on my team on Thursdays I had a player that was going to be there till 2 and the other teams last player was still at work. Bernardo was the captain of the other team and he told me that he did not know how long it would be and that he would understand if we took the forfeit. I told my player the situation and he said that as long as the match started by 1 am that he didn't care. We waited about an hour and got the match started at about 12:30. So my understanding on this is that if there is communication before the moment that the match is supposed to start the teams involved are more likely to wait a little longer. |
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badactionpool
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2009 : 2:39:25 PM
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agreed. most teams if they cant have their player there within 15 to 20 minutes they will forfeit. but to keep it a fun league if they can make it within that time i usually allow it. i agree with the rule that apa has written in the rule book but i also understand the friendship rule. it depends on the captain and if they dont want to wait i understand that too. you have to respect it either way
Matt Munowitch AKA. Mr. Bad Action AKA Capt. Lush |
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Keith
USA
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 1:12:12 PM
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Not only that but it also depends on the team you are captaining. The captain needs to look out for his team too. The situation that this took place in was one where the captain of team A needed everything to go by within a reasonable time frame. This was due to a couple players work changing the schedule from the norm and one player taking the night off to study for his final. If your players need to wake up early then you try to get them out early. If you get them out early and the other team is dragging it out then you are the one forfeiting that week.
There are no stupid questions except the one you just asked. |
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No Doubt
11 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 3:59:04 PM
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| That is such B.S. and you know it. It is sad when an entire team decides to not play in order to get the points. When they joined the league to PLAY THE GAME. |
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python116
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 3:05:30 PM
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| We are in this league for fun. We have all committed our time to play in this league. I think it shows a complete lack of respect for others time to show up late. I realize things come up(working late, appointment, whatever). But shopuld the other team be expected to stay late and give up their time to wait for you. I've been at league and had the other team tell me their player would be here in 5 minutes, then 5 more, then 5 more. After an hour they showed up, but I could have been at home instead of the bar. I decided near the end of last season, my team will wait no more than 5 minutes from the end of one match to the start of the next, and I adhere to that strictly. It's not about free points, it's about courtesy. |
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No Doubt
11 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 4:30:48 PM
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| So what you are saying is that if a team has problems happening outside of pool. And their player needs 6 min to get there from visiting their mother in the hospital. You are going to take the forfeit rather than wait the extra min. When you play python116 make sure you have your priorities in order because he comes first. |
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BigRigTom
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 4:42:54 PM
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Mutual respect and mutual consideration people.
It is not rocket science.
"You reap what you sow and you should sow what you expect to reap."
or was it
"Do unto others before they do unto to you!"
Something like that...approximately...I think
BigRigTom
http://hardingersystems.com/BAT-Forum to discuss Billiards and Trucking or anything that interest you! |
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 4:54:42 PM
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| I agree with Python, I have gotten to the 5th match to find out my opponents last player is on the way. They will be here in just a few minutes. A few minutes later it is 5 more minutes, than 20. At what point do you say forget it I am waiting no longer. You try to be nice and people take advantage of you. You try to stick to the rules and you are an asshole. Most of the time if a player is visiting their mother in the hospital, pool is the last thing on their mind. I don't think any entire team is not going to play to get the points. The vast majority of us are here to play pool. If a team can not field 5 players than blame that team not their opponent. |
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python116
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Posted - 08/06/2009 : 09:30:48 AM
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| most teams that I'm aware of have more than 5 players. I think the chances that "everyone's mother is in the hospital" are pretty slim. If you want to play a certain person and they can't make it, why should I have to wait. I've had a person I planned to play show up late, I put up someone else instead to keep play moving along. The fifth match doesn't start until 4 other matches have been played, I think that's plenty of time to arive when you've made a committment to play for a team in a league that starts at 7:30. Most of the time it's just that the person left home or work late, took their time in the shower, stopped off to get a cheeseburger or something of that sort. |
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movistar
193 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2009 : 1:29:13 PM
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captains taking a LONG time between matches to have a "team" smoke or drink, before putting up their next player...IS A PROBLEM....after the FIRST match starts a captain usually has anywhere from 1/2 hour or more to decide who is up next....
this happens much more often than not having a fith player at the end of the night when most teams have 8 players on the roster....so... lets have fun... take 2 minutes to decide who plays (rules) and "let's get it on"!!!!..... showing up late at end of night around 11 pm.. there is not much excuse....take or give a forfeit and show up happy the next week |
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Victor
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2009 : 12:27:01 PM
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My dear Torsten,
I've done some quick calculations and this is what I've come up with:
500 matches X 7 cigarettes per evening =3500 cigarettes รท 20 = 175 packs.
per pack cost = 4.50 x 175= $787.50
Just a little food for thought:
Is your consumer/tax dollar being well spent? 
BTW: Your dad is a phenomenal tennis player and does to me on the court what I do to you on the pool table. 
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sexymlee520
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 12:51:34 PM
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Hahaha. I like that! Makes you think about it!
Right on!! |
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grapevine
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 5:38:34 PM
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| all these points ( delays ) are valid points of concern and most require a decision of some sort....and in my opinion.....any team whose players leave the bar to take care of something (In this case ...they left the bar to move some furniture ) run the risk of not returning to play their perspective matches ( ON TIME ) and therefore should know, even before they left the bar, that that risk may involve disqualification.... |
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sexymlee520
14 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2009 : 05:31:34 AM
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You are right grapevine! But he was a Captain for the first time this season, so he did not know. And to be honest I would not have known, for if it was not for my Co. Capt and MD that told me the rules and etc.
Its a learning experience. When we all were Captains for the first time we were all not perfect. So now they have learned. And now know not to do it anymore. At least I hope!
And I am sorry for coming off soo hard on you. I was just very worried about the other player that I did not want anyone to get into trouble.
Again I'm sorry! |
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No Doubt
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 5:29:04 PM
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You don't want anyone to get into any trouble.
You wouldn't be referring to the person on Team B that was sandbagging to give his players time to show up would you. He even went up to you and told you he was sandbagging. I take it that you have decided not to write him up. He is a new captain after all and probably doesn't know about the rules on sandbagging. |
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