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sexymlee520
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 Posted - 08/23/2009 : 4:29:21 PM
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Hahaha!! Md913!! Yea that's the adittude to have!! See you next season!!
With all the Bad Action that will be going on, no dought!! I'm sure I'll hear it through the grapevine as pool goes..... That the Rebels will have to come back and keep all the bad action in line. Hahaha
And Keith I don't know what ur talking about. I'm the captian and I'm not going anywhere.
Merillee, Capt. Heaven's Rebels |
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Keith
USA
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2009 : 5:17:10 PM
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| I am leaving the team. You were told this a couple of weeks ago. You had stated that you wished to keep one of the two 7s that were on the roster. I am wishing MD913 good luck and telling him that I hope he wins mvp. I don't see how you would get you are leaving out of my last post. And as far as I know you are still the captain of the team too. I also made a joke about the rating system. |
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2009 : 11:37:52 PM
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by No Doubt[/i]
[br]Phil I don't see any threats in my posts. Could you point them out for me?
"No matter you can't comprehend what I posted. I have decided to help you out on this front."
"When you play python116 make sure you have your priorities in order because he comes first."
"You might want to have your brain checked out. Make sure something is there and hopefully it won't be like your link."
These are the three most obvious. There are other, less obvious, personal attacks.
There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate. Just make sure you attack the position and not the person in your responses.
Phil
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TracyW3
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 5:38:13 PM
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I had to comment on this one. I am a smoker who plays 9-ball two nights a week, one of my teams heads out for a team pow-wow before each match; first to congratulate the player who just played and then to decide who's going up next (also, to smoke... there's no denying that). The key is that it doesn’t take 15 minutes to do this (even non-smoking teams who don’t go outside can take over 5 minutes to put up).
If you really have issues with this and you know you are playing a team that delays the game, just tell the Capitan at the beginning of the match that you are going to abide by the time guidelines and explain to them what the guidelines are if they don’t already know.
The main reason practically no one does this is that it opens them up to the same scrutiny. If you want to time a break between matches then you have to follow ALL of the time guidelines, but we have to remember it is only a guideline, and what should the penalty be and what's within reason? There are soo many contributing factors that make a match take longer, singling one out is just not right. I am tired of hearing self righteous comments of people, high on their horses because they are not smokers and therefore don't think they should be respectful of people who choose to be. I agree that it's not fair to make people wait while you go out for a smoke but if I am waiting anyway and feel the need to smoke, I will go out and do so while being mindful of my turn. It’s no different than walking up to the bar and getting a drink or having a chat while it’s supposed to be your shot.
BTW – Why is everyone spelling No Doubt's name wrong?? 'Dought' makes me think of Homer Simpson. LOL
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Moose Dragon
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 08:56:46 AM
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Why is it when someone talks about the ill effects of smoking we are self rightous and on a high horse. If not respecting someone because they choose to do something that causes a myriad of health issues for themselves and the people around them, and causes the cost of health insurance to go up for the rest of us makes me self rightous and on a high horse than I can live with that. Do you know what I can not live with? LUNG CANCER, and especially since it will be from second hand smoke. Be respectful to smokers just for being smokers? I don't think so! With all we know about the effects smoking has on the body, I am amazed so many people still smoke. However, this is a free society so you can do what you please. I just hope you are O.K. with the fact that your nasty habit has the potential to give me and everyone around you lung cancer. In the words of one of the centuries greatest philosophers "thats all I got to say about that".
You are right about the fact that if you require your opponent to obey the rules no matter what they are you need to as well. When I was a captain I did not bitch too much about time constraints because I knew that there were times when myself or my teammates did not stick with them either. You give a little you get a little. Only when it becomes a problem should it be brought up to the opposing captain.
So your team goes outside to smoke after each match, and you disguise it as a team pow wow. I have an idea for you. The next time you play on that team and it is your turn to put up look at your watch and see how long it takes for your entire team to walk outside, light up, suck on the butt for a while, and then go back in and tell the opposing captain who you are putting up. Time this event every time without telling anyone, or changing what you normally do and see how long it takes. Than ask yourself how long would that have taken if you elimimate going outside and smoking during your decision of who you will put up. I will bet it is longer than you think. If I am wrong than I will be suprised, and believe me I have been suprised many times before. |
Edited by - Moose Dragon on 07/08/2010 10:28:48 AM |
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TracyW3
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2010 : 3:08:55 PM
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Dear Mr. Dragon,
First off I never said that anyone speaking of the ill effects of smoking is either self righteous nor on a high horse. I simply meant that I am tired of people who are self righteous when talking about it. I am not asking for respect because I am a smoker, I am asking for it as a person, respect is a courtesy that should be shown to everyone. As for your claims as to how someone else smoking effects you, I’ve done my research on this and guess what? You don’t have to worry about getting lung cancer from second hand smoke, unless you want to.
Here is an article from someone who wrote to the leading anti-smoker organizations and activists with a simple request - name three people who have died of second hand smoke. Only one (James Repace) even tried. And he sent fraudulent information.
http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name_three.html
In December of 1992 the EPA released it's now famous report on second hand smoke. Based on Meta Analysis the report claimed that SHS causes 3,000 deaths a year, and classified it as a class A carcinogen. On page 3-46 of the report the EPA estimates, based on nicotine measurements in non-smokers blood, "this would translate to the equivalent of about one-fifth of a cigarette per day."
Studies that measured actual exposure by having non-smokers wear monitors indicate even this low estimate was exaggerated. According to the largest ever study of actual exposure levels from personal air monitors carried by more than 1,000 people reveal that even the most highly-exposed second hand smoker inhales the equivalent of 0.02 of a cigarette a day - 10 times lower than Government-backed estimates. These findings were published by an internationally respected UK-based team of air monitoring experts.
You can also check out an article on the Oak Ridge National Laboratory Study based here in the US.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/get_press_release.cfm?ReleaseNumber=mr20000203-00
As for it costing you money in Health Care and/or taxes… Revenue from taxes on tobacco products accounted for $1,931,974,000 in California in 2007 and well over 15 Billion for the US as a whole. And the taxes are higher today. If you really break it down, there’s no tax on food but Obesity is an “epidemic” and causes many more health concerns than smoking. Would you tell someone in line at the grocery store that the ice cream they are buying isn’t ‘good for them’… No, you wouldn’t, but would a smoker?... Probably.
And that’s my point, it is so easy for people to be bias against smoking, but something like obesity and alcoholism, they turn a blind eye, because those things are socially acceptable. And that’s all I have to say about that. (Gotta love Forest Gump)
I have my pow wow team league tonight and without saying a thing to anyone I’ll time the breaks for the rest of the season and consider it a case study. I’ll let you know what I find.
Respectfully,
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2010 : 11:32:30 PM
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I'm wondering who will be the bigger person here and stop the back and forth before it gets out of hand?
The banter between you two did remind me of something I encountered on the golf course one day back when I used to smoke. I was walking down the wrong fairway because I can't hit my drives straight, and I was smoking a cigarette. A group of ladies were playing that hole, and one of them said as they passed me "you know those cigarettes will kill you". I replied "I know they MAY kill me, but I don't know that they WILL. An errant golf shot may kill you too, but here you ladies are..."
That was the end of that.
Phil
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Moose Dragon
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 07:36:38 AM
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| Ooh ooh let me, I haven't gotten to be the bigger person before!!!! I started to do research to respond, and after looking at what the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association said about it, and checking out some of the report by the California EPA I was blown away. I don't know how anyone can justify to themselves to smoke. So I will end it with another quote "life is like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get". So I am gonna eat those chocolates and see what happens. |
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TracyW3
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 09:53:56 AM
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Phil,
I’m sorry if my responses seemed like banter, it was not intended that way at all, just saying my peace. I’m not one to antagonize anyone and if someone chooses to do so to me, I try to clearly understand how justified or unjustified their argument really is. I would expect the same of them.
Mr. Dragon,
Channeling Phil’s quote, I know my smoking MAY kill me, but it’s NOT going to kill you, so eat as many of those chocolates as you’d like, that just might do it.
Live and let live.
-Tracy- |
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Moose Dragon
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 1:21:24 PM
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Tracy,
Your comment about me eating enough chocolate to kill myself was uncalled for. Besides the Chocolate was a metaphor. If that is not antagonizing I don't know what is?
I believe smoking MAY not kill you and second hand smoke MAY not kill me, but there is a chance it could, no matter how small. I to have looked at the research, and it all says SHS kills, along with many other inflictions.
If your not one to antagonize anyone, than don't do it. In both of your posts you have comments that are antagonistic. I guess nonsmokers are not the only ones on a high horse. Remember I did not single you out, but you did me.
I to have said my peace, I am done. |
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TracyW3
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 5:03:11 PM
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Moose Dragon,
I think you need to go back and look at the order of the posts, nothing in my original post mentioned you nor was it in direct response to anything you said. However, YOU specifically attacked ME, my post, and my position on the subject. Maybe I was too harsh in my final comment, but I do think it's a valid comparison and in the same spirit as Phil's quote. Pretty much anything can kill you, (Did you know the vaporized butter on microwavable popcorn can kill you).
If you know anything about Epidemiology, Statistics, Relative Risk (RR), and Confidence intervals (CI), you would understand that there has NEVER been any study that can validate the claim that SHS kills. IF you found any RESEARCH that says SHS kills I would love to see the RR and CI related to their conclusions. People might say SHS kills for many unverified reasons, my concern is that it's because they feel it validates their need to control other people, even if it's not true. Would you not speak out against something if you felt their agenda was to control you?
I have not been antagonistic in any of my past responses. I wish you could get past the defense of your cause to see that you are searching for reasons to be offended rather than listening to a valid argument.
Once again… Live and let live.
-Tracy- |
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Moose Dragon
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 5:21:52 PM
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I never attacked you, and I never mentioned you by name until you went after me. I was responding with my opinion to your post.
There you go again antaganizing by saying I am searching for a reason to be offended.
I will trust the American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, and the California EPA. All of which is available to the public. I do not trust someone defending smoking to me. You do not have the ability to change my opinion on this matter.
So You say eating enough chocolate to kill you is the same as dying from smoking related diseases. I don't think there is a comparison at all.
I did not get into this to argue with you, so I will no longer respond to your posts. Say what you want, I could care less. |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 8:18:34 PM
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I once knew a guy who died in a car accident, while smoking. The cherry went in his eye, and he went over a cliff. Smoking Kills..lol.
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot. |
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 8:44:14 PM
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I don't know when this became a debate about the health hazards of smoking. yes it's bad. yes it increases the risk of the smoker to get lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease, etc. As a smoker, I am taking those risks.
Truthfully, Moose (yeah I know your name, old friend) you're in no danger from second hand smoke if you're not in an enclosed space like a car, house, or bar that permits smoking. The statistics given by the Cancer Society and other related organizations with an agenda are skewed with no medical support for their claims are merely propaganda. The only ones in danger from second hand smoke are children and those with underdeveloped lungs who are frequently in contact with second hand smoke in an enclosed environment. The worst you are at risk of is the annoying smell on your clothes.
I know smoking is a bad habit and not good for my long term health prospects. I respect those that don't like it by doing it outside and away from non-smokers. I also try to not let my smoking slow matches down (the real point here unless I'm mistaken) by waiting until after my match, or indulging during an opponent's time out if the smoking area is close and within view of my game table. To my knowledge, after over 600 matches in APA, I have never been accused of slow play, due to smoking or otherwise.
Anyhoo, if we could just nip this in the bud, that would be great. If you are playing against a team who is not abiding by the continuous play rule, politely bring it to the attention of the captain. If the captain refuses to comply or gives you attitude because of it, bring it to the attention of the league office. This should never have gotten to a point where people are taking thinly veiled barbs at one another.
Phil, love the golf story. I had a guy tell me recently, from the drivers seat of the corvette that no doubt mommy and daddy bought his 19 year old punk @$$, that he hoped the cigarette i was smoking would give me cancer and I would die. I politely responded that i would hope that he would get in a fatal accident in mommy and daddy's present, but that my hope would be wasted and that Darwin would likely take care of the dirty work for me.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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TracyW3
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:41:06 AM
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Thank you Torsten.
Moose Dragon this got way too personal and that was partially my fault, for that I apologize… Really. This is obviously a sensitive matter for both of us. I was definitely not trying to talk you into being a smoker, I realize it’s not good for my health. But I do know that someone is more likely to die from eating too many chocolates than from second hand smoke.
If it makes you feel any better, I got pegged in the arm by a range ball while golfing on Saturday, the bruise is about 4inches in diameter. LOL
Take Care
-Tracy-
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