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Gamp
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 Posted - 04/02/2010 : 10:19:40 AM
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SFVMark
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 10:40:48 AM
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I would think, as long as 4 balls hit a rail, who cares. It's not like he/she has a big advantage using only one hand.
What if somebody was missing an arm? Would you protest against them? Almost seems silly to worry about something like that.
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 11:05:26 AM
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SFV - I agree there is no advantage gained.
As far as write up? Maybe a sportsmanship issue depends on the situation. I played a one handed game as a SL 6 when my wrist was broke. The other team had a player with 3 matches and needed a 4th on the last night of league play. Was it wrong of me to play?
All depends on the situation.......
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Gamp
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 2:20:20 PM
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Interesting responses, and they make sense. But the opponent player (previously a team captain) said it needed to be reviewed just in case there was a problem with the scoring model. The SL3 player appeared to be more than an SL3, and was making 2 and 3 balls on the break. Overall it appeared to intimidate the opponent.
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movistar
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 2:39:42 PM
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 3:57:13 PM
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Boy these topics are really getting surreal lately ... (see General Discussion & the 23-Rule) ....
Now .... I'm handicapped and only have one arm .... and I play a damn good game of pool ... you going to give me a SPECIAL handicap for being handicapped ??? I think I'll take this to the SUPREME COURT OF (enter your choice here ... CA or USA) ... you'd probably get let's see, 9 on the US SUPREME + "I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CA SUPREME" court justices, different opinions on that ....
What difference would it make if you were shooting one handed or one armed or one legged ... In all my years of playing APA I have never seen on any form or scoresheet where you had to or were required to or even asked to, indicate whether you had a handicap. For scoring purposes or any other reason. It's just to damn weird for someone to even make a comment like that.
I wonder if the person who said it had the initials ... JB ....
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 4:03:56 PM
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PS ........
I'M NOT REALLY HANDICAPPED UNLESS YOU CAN CALL 'SOMETIMES' MENTALLY CHALLENGED AS BEING HANDICAPPED. |
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 4:47:04 PM
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Actually, it can be a problem. If you're breaking with one hand so the rack doesn't spread and the game takes longer, you could be sandbagging. If, on the other hand (ha ha), you're breaking that way because you think you get better results with one hand (i.e., giving an honest effort to do your best), then go right ahead.
I raised a player on the spot one night because he was shooting with one hand and eating a doughnut with the other. That's intentionally playing below your true ability. It affects your skill level and the skill level of your opponent.
Phil
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 2:04:36 PM
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If you're breaking with one hand, and it's not because an injury or amputation necessitates that, you better have a darn good explanation why you're not sandbagging. I'm a trusting person, but I have a hard time believing that anyone could think they would get better results with a one-armed break than they would with two. And if they do, back that up with some science. Sorry. But I don't buy it. SL 3 breaking with one hand is even more cause for concern.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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stevelobdell
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:49:45 AM
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I can barely control my cue with two hands. I couldn't even begin to comprehend how I'd control it with one hand.
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rtfm1st
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:23:38 AM
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Torsten, what about my inability to keep the cue ball on the table when I do a two handed break (besides the practice that Matt gets in catching the call)?
I could see the need to control the cue ball better upon a break, but I don't know if I would generate too little power with a one-handed breaking attempt. |
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D-RACK
USA
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Gamp
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 5:38:05 PM
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Hello Gents!
I didn't think the discussion would take off like this. I think "movistar's" response is funny but yet true. It would be intriguing to watch a handicapped person play pool - I would tip my hat to them for sure.
As for the sandbagging, I presume that what would have to be addressed by the league officials.
All things being equal, I might try learning to break one-handed on my table, but I have the feeling I will have to replace the cloth a few times.
By-the-way, the initials are not JB, good try though!.
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:30:29 PM
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To respond, if you are having trouble keeping the white on the table, try a smoother approach with both hands. When the white ball goes flying, it's often because your stroke was on a downward plane, causing the white ball to "bounce" slightly up so it's not in contact with the felt when it strikes the rack. That leads to the ball going airborne and leaving the table. A level stroke on the break greatly reduces the chance of this happening.
I'm not accusing you of anything outright, but I need to hear an explanation of how breaking one handed benefits you. The white flying off the table is insufficient. That's easy to correct with some work.
Another thing that is important to a good break is where you strike the rack. You can't argue that you're going to be more accurate with one hand. There's much greater chance of inadvertent side english, not to mention aim being less accurate, with a one handed break.
It's not about "well, they don't have an advantage so what's the big deal." They're deliberately shooting in a way that keeps them from achieving a better result. That's by definition sandbagging.
And to disabled folks playing, there are a few that I know personally who do, and do it well. One guy who is a friend of mine injured his arm in an accident years ago, and as a result has only the use of one arm. He's a 5, last I checked. On top of that, he's pretty good on the golf course, I've been told. The APA also has a few folks who are in wheelchairs and carry solid skill levels as well.
Now that I've written a novel, I'm still waiting for a solid explanation how using only one hand to break when using two is an option benefits a player in any way.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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SFVMark
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 11:09:34 AM
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The thing is, he is making 2 or 3 balls on the break using only one hand. If this is true, I wouldn't accuse him of sandbagging. I think more likely, he has developed a skill. A skill that he feels intimidates his opponent. So why not use it to his advantage. Although I don't think this would intimidate everyone.
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 10:19:20 PM
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Okay. I see that point. But does a SL 3 develop a skill like that?
Does an SL 3 have the knowledge of the game to develop a skill like that? Just asking...
I've been known to take the occasional one-handed shot when I can't reach and there isn't a good place to set the bridge, and my hand is steady enough so I usually, even if I fail to pocket the shot, don't look like a fool attempting it. That said, I'm a 7 (albeit a recently promoted one). If I as a captain saw any of my lower SLs even considering doing anything with one hand for any other reason than complete necrosis of their other one, a stern lecture would ensue.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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Breaking - One hand breaking
