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D-RACK
USA
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 Posted - 04/14/2010 : 5:26:22 PM
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I HATE U PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT GREAT DAM IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
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pooljunky
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 8:37:03 PM
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| Funny you should have this discussion now. I'm a captain and just last week we came across this problem that the two score keepers both had a different ball count. Of course the players didn't remember all the balls they dropped. I am all for having a way that identifies on the scoresheet what balls are dropped. This is not the first time this happened for us. When this happens in a night, I have my scorekeeper write down what balls our player makes. This way we can reference it, if needed. It's a pain though. Ironically after over 10 minutes of discussion I said to the other team to take the point, so we could get on with the game. In the end my player won and the 1 ball made no difference in the final score of that match. And get this, the other teams score keeper kept reading off the score and always had more innings then us. So I watched her and she was to busy watching TV to pay 100% to the pool game. Maybe she should have stayed at home on the couch. |
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 05:53:20 AM
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In 9-Ball scoring, the “preferred” way of scoring is for both scorekeepers to sit together (often times they prefer to sit with their own teams), side-by-side. When that is not possible, the scorekeepers should be checking with each other after every rack to make sure their ball counts match. It is a very common misconception to believe that innings and defensive shots should match as well.
I’ve seen it (actually heard it) a thousand times. One scorekeeper will look up and say “3-2-0-7” and the other will respond “ok” or “I have 3-3-0-7” causing one of the two to change the innings they recorded. Scorekeepers should only be comparing 3 numbers – score, dead balls, score.
Having said that, when there is a mistake and the teams cannot figure out who made that one ball, there are two ways to avoid conflict. One is to flip a coin; the other is to mark it as a dead ball. Either of those two options would be better than one team saying “fine take the darn point” and being upset, frustrated or resentful for the rest of the night.
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Calcwby4u
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 10:45:27 AM
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| Taz ... Just a question to follow your options. If no one wants to give in, is it an option just to play the complete rack over again? Going back to the point on the scoresheet where everyone was in agreement, and replay ??????? |
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 2:44:41 PM
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Why not just elminate points and play 9 ball? Scorekeeping would be like 8 ball. You make the 9,And you win, what a concept eh? lol. Yeah, Im back. See you all next week!!
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 2:58:51 PM
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[i]Originally posted by Jeff Burkhammer[/i]
[br]Why not just elminate points and play 9 ball? Scorekeeping would be like 8 ball. You make the 9,And you win, what a concept eh? lol. Yeah, Im back. See you all next week!!
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot.
Can't handicap 9-Ball that way. In fact, you can't handicap any game where you can do way more work than your opponent and still lose.
Phil
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 3:07:57 PM
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I was wondering why the point method...But in 8 ball, scratching the 8 kinda amounts to the same result, no? I like the idea to call the 9 myself.
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 3:20:55 PM
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By the way, You put poker chips in front of me, well, that may just lead to a new game!! lol.
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 4:01:44 PM
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[i]Originally posted by Jeff Burkhammer[/i]
[br]I was wondering why the point method...But in 8 ball, scratching the 8 kinda amounts to the same result, no? I like the idea to call the 9 myself.
When your green you grow, when your ripe you rot.
That's an unusual outcome, and it's why you mark S8, E8, etc. Calling the 9 doesn't change the fact that you can shoot a 1-9 combo on the first shot after the break, or that you can run the first 8 and dog the 9, leaving it in the jaws. These are normal occurrences in 9-Ball, and make it very hard to handicap.
Phil
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Jeff Burkhammer
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 5:16:49 PM
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Not so rare if you name is CAROLINE...lol, sorry babe!! Really though, it wasnt a big concern, just thought it would simplify things on scoring...But I must say, I feel it much easier for a lower SL(2-3) to beat a higher SL (6-9)in 9 ball than in 8 ball, because of point format..which is cool, but, 8 ball seems like a tougher deal..do your stats show this to be true, or false when low sl meets high sl? Or do they about ring the same in 8 and 9?
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Phil
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2010 : 9:18:28 PM
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I would say that in 8-Ball, bad rolls or minor mistakes (a miss, bad position, or even a scratch) are not as costly against the lower-level players as they are in 9-Ball. When those things happen in 8-Ball, you can recover and still win the game, preventing the other player from making any progress at all toward winning the match. That is not the case in 9-Ball. Even if a mistake costs you only a point or two, those points are progress toward winning for the lower-level player.
The same is true for luck shots. Luck shots rarely affect the outcome of a game (or match) in 8-Ball, but in 9-Ball the extra points from luck shots can make a big difference.
On the other hand, you can make a critical mistake in 8-Ball (S8 or E8) and the lower-level player is halfway toward winning the match. Make two of them and the match is over. If the higher-level player can avoid these critical mistakes and recover from the minor mistakes, it's easier for them to win the 8-Ball match.
Phil
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Taz
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 03:35:06 AM
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[i]Originally posted by Calcwby4u[/i]
[br]Taz ... Just a question to follow your options. If no one wants to give in, is it an option just to play the complete rack over again? Going back to the point on the scoresheet where everyone was in agreement, and replay ???????
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lyrad
USA
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Posted - 04/26/2010 : 1:35:16 PM
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I have been scoring the way Phil described for a while now. I write the ball numbers above the dots on the score sheet and an X connecting the two points for the 9ball. I also add a twist for myself. I connect the dots for every ball made per turn and put parens around balls made on the break and slop/luck shots. That way I can quickly see that the SL3 on the other team is consistently running 5 balls in a row while the SL7 on my team is slop-ing every shot.
It really helps when there is a discrepancy in score and I can say Joe made the (3)-1-2,(5)-6 and mike made the 4,7-8-9. It resolves arguments real quick.
So, in the example above Joe made the 3 on the break and ran the 1 and 2, then Mike made the 4, then Joe slopped the 5 in and then made the 6, finally Mike ran the 7, 8 and 9 to end the rack.
Yes, I have to write really small but It helps me keep track.
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josepha
USA
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Posted - 04/27/2010 : 09:46:10 AM
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I just emailed the League Office a copy of a modified score sheet to reflect this idea...
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D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2010 : 1:34:18 PM
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Dad - Send me a copy... i wanna see what you are thinking.
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9 ball score sheets
